On 5/14/2015 6:38 PM, John Dose wrote: > > Thank you for all the input. I never dreamt what avalanche i could start > with my original question. > I also support the idea that my pub ring is my business, and noyb! > The old saying is: Show me your acquaintances and i tell you who you are. > > I don't want to be categorised like this, having all kind of scoundrel > and scamsters on my keyring :-) > > Who else uses encryption these days :-)? > > John
This is how secret you are John. This is the headder needed to identify this message and to send it. And *if* this had been an decrypted message to one of the people on your "secret but public" keyring? The only part of this that would not readable to "us" would be the actual message. Which means? Your recipient would be public. Why? Every site that the message passes through keeps a copy. Including what I posted here. Sleep tight. 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X-BeenThere: [email protected] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Enigmail user discussion list <[email protected]> List-Id: Enigmail user discussion list <enigmail-users_enigmail.net.enigmail.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.enigmail.net/mailman/options/enigmail-users_enigmail.net>, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.enigmail.net/pipermail/enigmail-users_enigmail.net/> List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.enigmail.net/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net>, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6929131657759845880==" Errors-To: [email protected] Sender: "enigmail-users" <[email protected]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6929131657759845880== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090501040007080106070208" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090501040007080106070208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for all the input. I never dreamt what avalanche i could start with my original question. I also support the idea that my pub ring is my business, and noyb! The old saying is: Show me your acquaintances and i tell you who you are. I don't want to be categorised like this, having all kind of scoundrel and scamsters on my keyring :-) Who else uses encryption these days :-)? John On 05/15/2015 12:03 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> You mean like this? >> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia> > Some people need to keep their public keyrings secure. > > Imagine the authorities are interested in Alice and Bob. They think the > two of them might be colluding but they don't know how. Now imagine > your keyring holds the certificates for both Alice and Bob. Now imagine > the police see your keyring. You just became a principal target of the > investigation, because you're the possible communications cut-out. The > next few weeks of your life get filled with rubber hoses, waterboarding, > and sustained beatings. > > Alice's certificate is public knowledge. So is Bob's. But the > knowledge that *you communicate with both of them* may be enough to land > you in a whole lot of hot water, especially if you live in a place > without a strong tradition of human rights. > > I, myself, do not need to keep my public keyring private. But I'm not > going to denounce those who do have such needs as paranoid. Unless I > know the person's specific situation, I'm just not in any place to make > that judgment. > > Neither are you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > enigmail-users mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: > https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net --------------090501040007080106070208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <br> <font size="+1">Thank you for all the input. I never dreamt what avalanche i could start with my original question.<br> I also support the idea that my pub ring is my business, and noyb!<br> The old saying is: Show me your acquaintances and i tell you who you are.<br> <br> I don't want to be categorised like this, having all kind of scoundrel and scamsters on my keyring :-)<br> <br> Who else uses encryption these days :-)?<br> <br> John<br> </font><br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/15/2015 12:03 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:[email protected]" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">You mean like this? <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia";><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia></a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Some people need to keep their public keyrings secure. Imagine the authorities are interested in Alice and Bob. They think the two of them might be colluding but they don't know how. Now imagine your keyring holds the certificates for both Alice and Bob. Now imagine the police see your keyring. You just became a principal target of the investigation, because you're the possible communications cut-out. The next few weeks of your life get filled with rubber hoses, waterboarding, and sustained beatings. Alice's certificate is public knowledge. So is Bob's. But the knowledge that *you communicate with both of them* may be enough to land you in a whole lot of hot water, especially if you live in a place without a strong tradition of human rights. I, myself, do not need to keep my public keyring private. But I'm not going to denounce those who do have such needs as paranoid. Unless I know the person's specific situation, I'm just not in any place to make that judgment. Neither are you. </pre> <br> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________ enigmail-users mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a> To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net";>https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------090501040007080106070208-- --===============6929131657759845880== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ enigmail-users mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net --===============6929131657759845880==-- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- David
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