On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:13:26 +0000 jaquil...@eagleeyet.net said: > Here is as valid point to bring up. When was the last time the version > of phab was updated? im sure there is a newer version that fixes alot of > the issues that you guys might be encountering.
actually it has gotten updates every ~6 months or so at least over time by beber. last update appears to be sept 2... > On 2018-09-15 08:45, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:57:07 +0200 Stefan Schmidt > > <ste...@datenfreihafen.org> > > said: > > > >> Hello. > >> > >> On 09/14/2018 09:48 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:44:52 +0200 Stefan Schmidt > >> > <ste...@datenfreihafen.org> said: > >> >> This is the core problem. OSUOL has indeed doing a great job for us over > >> >> the years for hosting and connectivity. But they can only be as good as > >> >> we allow them to be. Waiting for us for a fan to be shipped to be > >> >> replaced for over 6 months is nothing we are helping them with. > >> >> > >> >> To be blunt here our infra is a nightmare. To complex to manage for > >> >> anyone besides Beber. Beber not being available means _nothing_ changes. > >> > > >> > precisely. I would like to go back to something very simple. not a bunch > >> > of vm's or containers etc. ... my thoughts right now are a simple single > >> > sub vm on our current gentoo parent box. no fancy network > >> > layering/routing etc. ... then it's manageable for multiple people as > >> > it's simple and obvious and easy to figure out. yes. it's probably not > >> > as secure... but that's what the vm is for. extract the data out, and > >> > rebuild if the worst happens. > >> > > >> > or at least something like the above. something very simple to manage/set > >> > up/run etc. > >> > >> As I am not going to handle anything of this my opinion on it is not > >> worth much. I find containers easy to use for such things. What I > >> really > >> want to see in the end so is a system where we have a _group_ of > >> people > >> having access and understanding the system. > > > > I totally agree. I tend to leave things alone if they work. If they > > don't... I > > often find that I have had to stick my fingers in and figure it out. > > I'd like > > others to be able to do the same. It's a necessity of our project to be > > able to > > do this. > > > >> >> Is that was all discussed during EDD in Malta in 2017 and promised to be > >> >> worked on. This was 15 months ago and I see zero impact so far. > >> >> > >> >> This is not about to point fingers to Beber. He has been helping us many > >> >> many years as a volunteer. He has all rights to take time off or even > >> >> disappear completely and we still should be thankful for the work he > >> >> did. > >> >> > >> >> It is however a big problem in the project if we want to self host > >> >> everything, but our infra is simply not ready for it. > >> > > >> > well one big big big issue is the ipmi console. i have tried to get > >> > access to it. i have asked cedric and beber. without that there is no > >> > way i can do a kernel upgrade on a gentoo host because you have to > >> > compile by hand and something is bound to go wrong... and without that > >> > console there is no rescue. > >> > >> I guess you should ask Beber how to get access to IPMI (password, etc) > >> and if he fails to reply you would need to go back to OSUOL. They > >> should > >> still have you listed as a person with rights to access, I hope (?). > > > > I have. to both. :( I need to try again. > > > >> >> To summarize: I share your concerns on cloud hosting with sponsoring, > >> >> but our infra is not ready for anything new. _If_ we move to gitlab > >> >> having it hosted for a few months on a cloud service with a migration > >> >> plan to our own infra is something I consider a fair deal. > >> > > >> > my gut and experience tells em few months then becomes a few years and > >> > then something goes wrong and we're in a dark place. :( > >> > >> Not much difference from the dark place we are in right now with our > >> own > >> infrastructure. :( > > > > At least it's ours and we aren't footing a monthly bill... > > > >> > my take is that if there is to be any move in addition to it "being worth > >> > it" we have to get our infra into shape FIRST. let this be the kick in > >> > the pants to do that. if we just put that off then it will just never > >> > happen as above. > >> > >> This is something I do not agree with. I have been kicking into pants > >> for problems with the infra for _years_ when doing Jenkins. It has > >> changed nothing and I moved over to cloud services to get the control > >> and flexibility I needed. > > > > This is a result of policy from Beber of giving pretty minimal VM's > > with > > limited ram/disk with gentoo. We have the resources - they are just not > > being > > assigned and being able to provision your own is far too complex with > > what we > > have. If all you had to do was run some libvirt cmds to spin up a new > > VM of > > whatever size/config you wanted , I think you'd be fine. > > > >> Making a fixed infra a dependency for the potential move to gitlab is > >> not reasonable in my opinion. Forcing it to wait on something that has > >> not happened in 15 months and putting the extra work on the shoulders > >> on > >> people who want to handle the move. Its like telling someone who wants > >> to add a new elm widgets to finish interfaces and get it out of beta > >> first. :-) > > > > It's a change of management/direction away from being dumped onto the > > community's laps. What we have works. It has its warts. Everything else > > does > > too. > > > >> The infra problem should get tackled and if enough people are > >> supporting > >> a move to gitlab and doing the work it would be fair to let them to > >> this > >> in parallel. > > > > I know Beber is really busy with his job etc. so realistically this is > > going to > > just have to get done brute-force. > > > > Looks like I'm going to do the server myself then. Bebebr doesn't have > > the > > time and I might know the servers best after Beber (a long way after > > mind you). > > What I'm going to do is make a single "big fat" VM with Ubuntu server > > to put > > everything in and move one thing at a time into it. This way I can > > replace the > > parent Gentoo OS later on when I get to, but first I'm going to have to > > wait > > for my stuff to arrive so I can try the VPN + IPMI again. > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
