Michael Jennings wrote: > On Wednesday, 14 February 2007, at 01:18:46 (+0100), > Kim Woelders wrote: > >> I still don't quite get all the opposition against autopoint (except >> the stupid requirement that the cvs program must be available). In >> my opinion automake-1.10 is not broken but people here insist on >> pissing against the wind and refuse to set up configuration stuff as >> it is supposed to be, and then blame the autotools that they don't >> work (/me ducks). > > Okay, please point out how the "configuration stuff" "is supposed to > be" to avoid trying to invoke the cvs command. > It is not possible to avoid using "cvs" from autopoint. The gettext source files are stored in a tar'ed CVS archive (/usr/share/gettext/archive.tar.gz on my box), and autopoint extracts the revision given in e.g. AM_GNU_GETTEXT_VERSION([0.12.1]) from this CVS archive. This seems to me to be a reasonable way to provide a given gettext version specified in configure.in. Now if cvs was used to acces some remote CVS server that would be bad, but it isn't. Sure, it requires the cvs program to be available on a developer platform. So what?
>> The e17/apps/e autogen.sh has used autopoint for months now, and my >> impression is that the noise level from people with autotool issues >> in this module has decreased considerably since then. > > raster disabled it on November 2nd. You sneakily (as sneakily as one > can with CVS...but it snuck past me...) re-enabled it on November > 3rd. The "lack of noise" probably has a lot more to do with those for > whom it doesn't work resigning themselves to just dealing with it, > like devilhorns. > Yeah, I'm a sneaky bastard. I even sent a stealth message to the e-devel list about it to make sure nobody noticed: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37464062 my devious plan failed and somebody who was obviously impersonating you responded: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37464063 Well, I was trying to deal with the problem (I assume we agree there is one) by attempting to find a solution that doesn't involve requiring specific autotool versions or doing private config file hacks. That does not seem to have succeeded, not for everybody, anyway. If using cvs as a versioned (local file) archive extractor is banned so is using autopoint, and we are as far as I am concerned at a dead end. If we do accept to use autopoint after all I'd be willing to spend some more time to try and get things right on other platforms than mine (x86, fc6/fc~7). To do this it would be helpful to know what happens when things go bad (other than "massive build failure") and which distro/ platform we are talking about. >> Anyway, I think adding autopoint to autogen.sh is only part of the >> solution if you go down that path. There seem to be quite a few >> other fixups required, like po/Makefile->po/Makefile.in in >> configure.in, remove po/Makefile.am, add po/Makevars and >> po/POTFILES.in, order of autoconf and autoheader in autogen.sh, and >> more. > > While automake 1.10 may or may not be broken, gettext clearly is. Had > we devoted the same amount of time to developing a new, better i18n > solution (i.e., one that behaves reasonably rather than like an > autistic cross-eyed gerbil on a caffeine high) that we've spent trying > to get each new version of the autoFUCK tools to work properly, we > wouldn't need gettext any more. > > gettext should be smart enough to work properly, and automake should > be smart enough to know that gettext is more broke than MC Hammer's > fashion coordinator and that workarounds, not fatal errors, are the > proper course of action. > >> In case anybody bothers to persue this I have attached a patch for >> the alarm module, which passes make distcheck with automake-1.9.6 as >> well as automake-1.10 (a few bits in the patch are not related to >> gettext but required just to pass distcheck). I'm not saying this is >> the One and Only way to do this but only that this patch works for >> me. > > Let's see if it works for devilhorns. And I'll try it with automake > 1.8. > >> No worries - I have absolutely no intention to commit this in fear of >> what might happen to my reproductive powers. > > Good boy. Don't think I can't find my way to West Kwoville, Denmark. > :-) > > Michael > /Kim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
