On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote:
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200),
Vincent Torri wrote:
So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is
exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice.
I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing something in
secret does not inherently invalidate it or make it "bad for the
community."
As it seems that you like examples, the current design of the
website is an horror. raster has imposed it to us.
You have commit access. Where was your alternative design?
I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site on the
ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some things that
MUST appear on a web site.
Also, in case you don't know, Dan did a BIG job so that all the doxy doc
geenrating by gendoc look like the website, so modifying the website is
not so simple if we want to have something that is coherent.
You completely miss the point, here. You talk about the pov of us
("we don't have to use it". Here it's not only us (the devs, putting
stuff in it, etc...), it's also about the users of enlightenment and
the efl.
That's who I'm talking about. If we, the community of users and
developers, do not like the resulting redesign, we say "no" and
continue on our merry way. We are in no way beholden to it. We have
lost nothing. One person has lost the time he invested, but that was
his choice, and he knew the risks from the outset.
so, ok, one guy is doing the website, he takes a huge amount of time to do
it, and then we say : "Ho no, that web site is not good !". And a guy or
antoehr will do the same thing, etc... I think that the time we loose
discussing a bit (not a lot, during several weeks) about the web site is
nothing if the web site is not godd and needs rewriting.
I don't want that the e site being imposed without us being warned about
such *important* change. And yes, i really think that it can hurt some
people if it is not correctly done.
First off, no one is *imposing* anything. The only person who could
impose something on us is raster,
raster ? imposing something ? you're a funny guy.
and if you didn't accept the concept
of a project lead imposing his will, you'd be using Windows.
Oh, wait...almost forgot to whom I was speaking. ;-)
you're a stupid guy
Seriously, part of open source is that the project leadership have
certain dictatorial powers granted them by virtue of your interest in
their code.
I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading the
project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose things to
committers.
So don't be offended on the infrequent occasion that
power is exercised, and don't scream foul in anticipation of something
you don't even know will happen yet.
I will never be offended by something that is imposed if i am warned
first. If i'm warned and I does nothing, then it's my fault. If one impose
me without warn me and I don't like, I will say why i do not agree.
Finally, your comment is completely against a "community". For me,
it means that if someone does some work, he should at least mention
it, and describe it a bit.
A "community" is "a body of people having common rights, privileges,
or interests." That says nothing about everyone having to have
everything they do approved by committee before they're allowed to do
it. If that were the way things worked around here, we'd never get
anywhere.
I do not agree, i have another view of a community than yours.
Vincent
On the contrary, I consider that your remark is against a community
arounf e17 and the efl.
Hogwash. Even if Inc's work turns out to be complete and utter crap,
the community only suffers if (1) raster decides to use it anyway, AND
(2) it's worse than the current site. You're simply overreacting to
fear of the unknown, much the same way some might have reacted if
Sthitha had said a few weeks ago, "We're replacing Get-E.Org with
something new we're designing from scratch by ourselves. Stay tuned!"
Besides, he's clearly trying to start up a dialogue now, so let's hold
off on the conspiracy theories and the tar-and-feathering. He doesn't
deserve it...at least, not yet. ;-)
Michael
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