On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote:

> I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about
> the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and
> expected. Releasing a 1.0 and then breaking it or making major changes
> a few months down the road is a very bad impression.

I don't think that if we release a 1.0 soon, the next the next major 
release wiil be out in a few month. It will follow the same release 
process (some years)

> You're releasing something before it should be released just to give
> the impression of a 1.0 for something that isn't 1.0. That leaves a
> worse taste as a developer then holding off the release until we're
> pretty sure what we've got will be it for the long haul.

Explain why you think that current efl can't be considered as 1.0, please

It seems that you have the same opinion than raster has about 
enlightenment, that is enlightenment will be 1.0 when there will be no 
more improvements he will be able to think about.

What the problem with doing releases ? It helps packagers and users, 
people that use commercially the efl are satisfied because they know they 
have a solid base set of libs they can work with.

> If you want to push something out the door, what about Efreet, or
> getting Eina done then doing Ecore. We don't have to start with an
> Embryo release. We don't have to push Embryo until we're ready to push
> Edje. Pushing Edje has to wait until we push Evas (which also has to
> wait for Eina).

Heh, I would like to release all the efl as 1.0 (maybe after the eina 
move). Then, in a few years push the 2.0 release (for e18 ?). There are 
*lots* of stuff to do for a 2.0 release for evas and edje (i don't really 
know for ecore). About evas, you see the discussion between mainly Jose, 
Jorge and raster. About edje Gustavo told me that raster has huge plans 
about it. So why not writing edje 2 with these plans and with another 
scripting language than embryo when thee plans will be known a little bit 
more ?

About efreet, I agree too that it should be out after the eina move.

What does it remain ?

eet ? cedric has plans for a 2.0, and i want to look closely in adding 
the streaming very soon (2 or 3 months).

ecore ? I don't know which plan we have about it

e_dbus ? It should be ready for a release too and i don't think that it 
will need a major release in a few years.

That's my pov, which makes me think that the argument of not releasing the 
efl now because in a few months we will release a 2.0 is not good.

Vincent

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