Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:00 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: > >> Viktor Kojouharov wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It >>>> is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstraction >>>> to another as it becomes apparent they fit better at another location. >>>> >>>> >>> Speaking specifically for eina, I seriously doubt that the code would go >>> anywhere (except maybe to another new library). The whole point of >>> creating the library was to put all the different data type codes >>> together. And besides the name (does "eina" even mean anything, is it >>> related to data in any way?) it seems that all the code belongs >>> together. Let's be realistic and say that the code is not going >>> anywhere. >>> >>> Also, the license covers the verbatim code, not the idea behind it. >>> Therefore, if the code will be moved, it will most likely change in the >>> process. Therefore, you can license it to bsd, if you so desire. >>> >>> >> I wouldn't be so quick to make that assumption, I can recall many cases >> over ideas being stolen, mainly patents. Proving to a 50 year old judge >> who's never touched a computer that the code is identical with different >> words is incredibly easy and experts are paid for their testimony, so... >> > > True, but patents != copyright. Totally different concept, totally > different judges. >
They're all old and oblivious, doesn't matter which court it is heh. And given the RIAA copyright cases, who knows how copyright will come into play. >>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:33 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback you received on >>>>>>>> this issue and just change the license without a consensus? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, let's begin on *how* i see this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eina suddenly has gotten attention, not because of its technical >>>>>>> features, but because i wanted it to be lpgl *and* raster has said >>>>>>> that he wants to push eina's effort. That's the real thing, nobody >>>>>>> cared about it on the past two years until cedric was interested and >>>>>>> pushed it into proto and pfritz did the string thing. Nobody. Raster >>>>>>> has expressed his will on that library, so what happens? everyone is >>>>>>> going to love eina because of that? if that's the case this is not a >>>>>>> community is a herd. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Wrong, it got attention because you started working with people to get >>>>>> it into CVS and operate as part of the project. Nothing to do with the >>>>>> license. Cedric may have been interested because it was LGPL, but most >>>>>> people I know of are interested because we can finally remove some >>>>>> redundant API's. Why don't you ask Peter since he's the other one you >>>>>> mention making some effort on it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The license "issue" is not really an issue, if the problem is because >>>>>>> ewl/ecore might be lpgl, that statement is totally wrong, you already >>>>>>> know that, you can keep the license you want and in fact you will, >>>>>>> there's no need to make other projects use eina, but the ones i'll >>>>>>> commit later will use it and also be lgpl. If the problem is because >>>>>>> all e projects should be bsd, then again, that would make sense on a >>>>>>> project where everything is shared among the developers and the >>>>>>> development which again is not the case. Basically e cvs is a >>>>>>> repository where anyone can do whatever he wants because such thing as >>>>>>> "consensus" doesnt exist, but not only at license level but on *any* >>>>>>> level. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> You are misquoting this argument. The argument is we can't easily >>>>>> inter-change code with LGPL because it's now a one way relationship. >>>>>> We can only put things INTO eina because if we take anything out, we >>>>>> have to use the LGPL or GPL. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't eina a library? Why do you need to >>>>> take something out of it? 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