On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >> Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It >> is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstraction >> to another as it becomes apparent they fit better at another location. > > Speaking specifically for eina, I seriously doubt that the code would go > anywhere (except maybe to another new library). The whole point of > creating the library was to put all the different data type codes > together. And besides the name (does "eina" even mean anything, is it > related to data in any way?) it seems that all the code belongs > together. Let's be realistic and say that the code is not going > anywhere.
You mean like EWD was? > Also, the license covers the verbatim code, not the idea behind it. > Therefore, if the code will be moved, it will most likely change in the > process. Therefore, you can license it to bsd, if you so desire. Only if you are reimplementing it. You can't re-use any of the code from the original if you want to BSD license it. >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:33 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback you received on >> >> >> this issue and just change the license without a consensus? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Ok, let's begin on *how* i see this. >> >> > >> >> > Eina suddenly has gotten attention, not because of its technical >> >> > features, but because i wanted it to be lpgl *and* raster has said >> >> > that he wants to push eina's effort. That's the real thing, nobody >> >> > cared about it on the past two years until cedric was interested and >> >> > pushed it into proto and pfritz did the string thing. Nobody. Raster >> >> > has expressed his will on that library, so what happens? everyone is >> >> > going to love eina because of that? if that's the case this is not a >> >> > community is a herd. >> >> >> >> Wrong, it got attention because you started working with people to get >> >> it into CVS and operate as part of the project. Nothing to do with the >> >> license. Cedric may have been interested because it was LGPL, but most >> >> people I know of are interested because we can finally remove some >> >> redundant API's. Why don't you ask Peter since he's the other one you >> >> mention making some effort on it? >> >> >> >> > The license "issue" is not really an issue, if the problem is because >> >> > ewl/ecore might be lpgl, that statement is totally wrong, you already >> >> > know that, you can keep the license you want and in fact you will, >> >> > there's no need to make other projects use eina, but the ones i'll >> >> > commit later will use it and also be lgpl. If the problem is because >> >> > all e projects should be bsd, then again, that would make sense on a >> >> > project where everything is shared among the developers and the >> >> > development which again is not the case. Basically e cvs is a >> >> > repository where anyone can do whatever he wants because such thing as >> >> > "consensus" doesnt exist, but not only at license level but on *any* >> >> > level. >> >> >> >> You are misquoting this argument. The argument is we can't easily >> >> inter-change code with LGPL because it's now a one way relationship. >> >> We can only put things INTO eina because if we take anything out, we >> >> have to use the LGPL or GPL. >> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't eina a library? Why do you need to >> > take something out of it? 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