On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Jesse Charbneau wrote:

>
> On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:08 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Vincent Torri <vto...@univ-evry.fr> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Vincent Torri wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Jesse Charbneau wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>  I?ve been working off list with Gustavo, and we?d like to get some 
>>>>> feedback on the design thats been worked out.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=about&l=en
>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=download&l=en
>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=support&l=en
>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=docs&l=en
>>>>
>>>> for the 'about' and 'support' page, having some parts at random places
>>>> seems odd for me. For example, in the 'about' page, the information of
>>>> 'platform support' is just below the title, but for 'Proven
>>>> Effectiveness', it's below and on the left.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, for all english readers, we read for left to right. So i
>>>
>>> for -> from
>>>
>>>> found more difficult to read parts of the web page that is on the right
>>>> and additional information on the right ('Proven Effectiveness'). I indeed
>>>
>>> right -> left
>>>
>>>> prefer what is done in the support page ('Professional support options')
>>>>
>>>> I like the download page. It's simple. Though maybe i would add a label
>>>> for the tables, to tell the reader that the first column is some doc of
>>>> the lib/app, the second one is the tarbal link and the third is a brief
>>>> description. Also, maybe e16 should also be centered like the others.
>>>>
>>>> For the doc, i would prefer something like the download page.
>>>>
>>>> And in general, i think that all the web pages should have the same
>>>> design. It took me some time to understand the layout of the about page. I
>>>> then read the download page. Another layout. Then the support page,
>>>> another layout, then the documentation page, another layout.
>>
>> that's a "designer" thing. She did it to look like a brochure and not
>> a template-formatted content, trying to give focus to what is worth.
>>
>> Some pieces are still missing, like some image buttons, but these
>> should go soon.
>>
>> There is not much more I can do about it, we (marina + me) just
>> provided the initial design but ran out of time to iterate much around
>> it. We just provided images with design guidelines.
>>
>> Jess did an amazing work fighting all the HTML/CSS to make it happen,
>> he did this all on his free time and is free to interact with
>> e-community to change it in the way it's desired (ie: it's not our
>> thing and we're fixed to that way). However he need to check if he
>> will have time, or people can step to help him.
>>
>> Jess, thank you again for your work. I know how much of a pain is to
>> make HTML/CSS do what designers want :-)
>>
>
> Hello,
>  Thanks for the feedback Vincent.  As Gustavo noted, I basically took the 
> images provided by Marina and did what had to be done at the html level and 
> cleaned up the text a bit here and there.  I think the question that comes to 
> my mind is where the community would like the site to be when e17 rolls out 
> (assuming thats sometime in the not too distant future - sorry, have not kept 
> up with discussions regarding any formal releases).  If folks would like to 
> send me line item fixes (ie documentation page - change ?some text? to, some 
> link to, etc), I can work them into a spreadsheet and get them taken care of. 
>   If there is agreement amongst the community that the consistency of the 
> pages warrants some changes (ie, whether docs page aligns top, about pages 
> look more like a two column page, etc), please advise what those should be 
> and I can change  them as needed.
>
> I do have some time to work on the site, and plan on being around a while so 
> can help on an as needed basis (direct email works best if you need to get my 
> attention).  I should note that its looking like I may be moving soon, and of 
> course that will consume much time, but will not be a permanent disappearing 
> act.

I don't know if everyone agrees, but my opinion is:

1) the web site must be simple (hence not too much text)
2) the web pages should have a consistent layout for an easy reading
3) detailed descriptions should be moved to the wiki

regards

Vincent

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