Hello. On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 10:11, Jonathan Armani wrote: > > I never said I was insulted by Raster, I said I'm bored because I got > comment on code I did not even write / > asked for a review,
You did not ask, but Vincent did. No doubt in a positive manner to get you guys some feedback on parts he feels raster has more experience with. This part really sounds like a classic miscommunication to me. Vincent wanted to help and pointed raster to the repo with the patches. Perhaps not knowing that they also include some of your experimental stuff which was not ready yet. Raster looked there and found the API break, something that would need more explanation why its needed we all agree I think, and pointed out that this is bad. Same for the mempool changes which could be changed in one place. He put it blunt and you took it personal even if you did not write the patches. The classics of small combinations of misunderstanding resulting in something bigger then every single part would be able to. > I was pissed because there was a lot of work > already done and the mail raster wrote > here was absolutly not representative of it. This looks more like the core problem to me here. You took offense when raster was saying that he never has seen stuff from you or the other openbsd guys before. Which makes your previous work and spent time looking wasted. So I took a moment to look through the svn log to identify the patches that you may referring to. What I found are a lot patches commited by Vincent mentioning the OpenBSD team. Why not all have been attributed to you it looks like the team did a lot groundwork already. Something raster would have been able to see if he had read the svn log carefully (Vincent has many other commits as well). If the own work seems to get ignored and played down by someone else it hurts and feels un-respectful. To de-escalate something like this it often helps to point out to the specific work you and your team have already been. Sure, raster should have had a look on its own, too. > Please read my first mail again, I will not talk out of my ass, I > didn't even know Raster personally, the problem > here was mainly the tone. Well, tone is something that is tightly combined with behaviour and hard to change (see my other mail). Obviously it is possible to write a nicer mail when you want to do it, but normally writing a mail is a self expression in text form (a medium pretty hard for side effects of communication like gestic, facial expression and other things) and this self expression is part of the behaviour. Over the years I did learn to take people how they are, not getting offended easily and find my way working with them. Still everybody should work on their own skills to work better with other people, including raster, but its hard. > I'm disapointed. All we did was working in the dark we some people, > now you came and did only show the bad > stuff to the light (NO EVEN FROM ME), and I simply did not accept that > and all the wrong things said here. For the technical part Mike already offered you to handle further patches if you or someone else in your team is still motivated to do so. And I think Vincent is also available for help if someone asks him. He always is. :) regards Stefan Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
