On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:24:12 +0000 Michael Blumenkrantz <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:18:39 -0200 > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:36 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:28:32 +0000 Michael Blumenkrantz > > > <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:26:22 -0200 > > >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz > > >> > <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:11:47 -0200 > > >> > > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jeff Hoogland > > >> > >> <jeffhoogl...@linux.com> wrote: > > >> > >> > Is it possible to "link" multiple lists together so they > > >> > >> > scroll at the same time? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> you could simulate this (I do not recommend) by creating > > >> > >> your own gengrid item class and style. This style would > > >> > >> define multiple Edje parts, the cells for those columns. > > >> > >> These have fixed size (ie: 200px), or proportional size > > >> > >> (ie: 20%) or even be dynamically calculated and expand > > >> > >> horizontally based on some factor (the largest label?). In > > >> > >> the last case you'd have to go and call item.update() for > > >> > >> every item, so they can expand to the new maximum size. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> What I do recommend is you to look at every modern GUI and > > >> > >> none of those use these anymore. It's usually used for > > >> > >> large number of items, where the number of information can > > >> > >> be overwhelming. You better segment the information and > > >> > >> plan what to show. For instance, the package manager you > > >> > >> sent should do what it delegate to user... come on, show > > >> > >> the "installed version" and "available version"? Why not > > >> > >> just an icon with tri-state: installed and updated, > > >> > >> installed and outdated, uninstalled. Could even not be an > > >> > >> icon, but a bg color to make it easy to spot. If I were > > >> > >> doing a package manager, I'd as well merge similar packages > > >> > >> with different parts, as it's useless to have them in the > > >> > >> main list, just click to open more details (instead of show > > >> > >> -dev, -dbg, -examples, -doc... you just show package name, > > >> > >> click and it expand (or another window/popup/frame) show > > >> > >> each element and status. > > >> > > > > >> > > while I agree that it's misused in most cases, I still see no > > >> > > better alternative for a desktop music player gui. the > > >> > > ability to dynamically see/sort aligned rows containing > > >> > > artist/track/title does not seem to be replaceable. > > >> > > > >> > It's a matter of getting used. For instance, I'm using iTunes > > >> > (http://www.apple.com/itunes/whats-new/) and like the new GUI, > > >> > they still have that view as an options, and that's the view > > >> > when you choose "all music", but they have these other that > > >> > are nice to use: > > >> > > > >> > - > > >> > http://images.apple.com/itunes/whats-new/images/redesigned_player_albumview.jpg > > >> > you click the album and it expands in line with the music. > > >> > - > > >> > http://images.apple.com/itunes/whats-new/images/redesigned_player_bonusfeatures1.jpg > > >> > similar to the album, you click the artist and it will show > > >> > albums and top music. > > >> > - > > >> > http://37signals.com/svn/images/itunes-album-view-large.jpg > > >> > previous album view, in list-like mode. > > >> > > > >> > The last one is more similar to a list, but as you can see > > >> > it's not a regular list, as some cells are expanded vertically > > >> > inside an album. So it's a custom widget/view as well. > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > >> > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > > >> > -------------------------------------- > > >> > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > > >> > Skype: gsbarbieri > > >> > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > >> > > >> hm that's kinda neat. I suppose I could see getting used to > > >> that, and it would look nice if I wanted something to show off, > > >> but I'd still prefer my extremely bland column-view for everyday > > >> use :/ > > >> > > > /me scratches his head. > > > > > > Er, that's a table, evas supports tables, edje supports tables, > > > elementary supports tables. Pffft > > > > > > Have you all vanished up your "we do things differently" > > > arseholes so far that none of you recognised a plain old ordinary > > > table? No disrespect intended. B-) > > > > > > BTW, tables are used on phones. It's not something that is old > > > fashioned and people are moving away from. Tables have their good > > > uses. Try doing a spreadsheet without one. Some popular file > > > browsers use tables by default to. E17 uses tables. > > > > It's different. If you use a plain table inside a scroller, you'll > > run out of memory quite soon with package manager. It would create > > dozen Evas_Object for each row, dozen of thousands of rows and > > you're in problem. > > > > The genlist/gengrid will just create visual elements for visible > > elements (and spare more, depends on some settings). You can call it what you want, it's still a table. "Columned List Widget" is just a fancy name for a table. Running out of memory and such is just an implementation issue, it's still a table. People have solved that problem long ago, using the same sort of thing that genlist/gengrid does. "Gengrid" is just a fancy table I think, not actually looked at it yet. > > > Nooow, as for Elementary not really being a desktop widget set, I > > > though it's job was to support desktops as well as everything > > > else? To be the widget set to end all widget sets so that EFL no > > > longer had two different widget sets? To be as usable on the > > > desktop as it is on mobile phones and such? So that you only > > > need to write one app for all? Do we need to write a desktop > > > widget set now? And what about the plans to use elementary as > > > the widget set for E18? Um, e18 is a desktop thingy. B-) > > > > E17 or E18 doesn't have that table widget as well. I did a grep though the E17 source code before I said "E17 uses tables". It uses tables. B-) > nothing big is happening with widgets or toolkits for E18 No one answered my questions about elementary not being for desktop as was mentioned in this thread. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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