On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:42:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:30:22 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 20:34:13 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 20:19:30 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 20:42:24 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:32:23 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:31:18 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:15:34 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 20:42:22 +0100 Davide Andreoli > > > > > > > > <d...@gurumeditation.it> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > as discussed in the other thread we seems to agree on > > > > > > > > > the fact that we need more styles (for widgets and > > > > > > > > > texts) in elementary. Imo this is a big issue atm and > > > > > > > > > I think should be fixed asap, so I'm starting here a > > > > > > > > > list of things I miss while using elm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we include some sort of minimalist, absolute minimum > > > > > > > > padding, style over all? That's the biggest issue I'm > > > > > > > > having with trying to create elm UIs, everything is just > > > > > > > > too damn big. Especially when trying to recreate UI > > > > > > > > designed by others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rm -rf ~/.elementary > > > > > > > 2. start again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are likely using the mobile profile or something with > > > > > > > a LARGE finger size. tone it down. i see this all over > > > > > > > the place > > > > > > > - people using elm with mobile profiles that have big > > > > > > > finger sizes and thus widgets are expanded to be hittable > > > > > > > by a fat finger on a touch screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > People keep telling me it's a finger size issue, and I have > > > > > > been explicitly telling it to use minimal finger size in my > > > > > > code for years. ~/.elementary gets deleted on a semi > > > > > > regular basis, and I have NEVER told EFL to use a mobile > > > > > > profile. > > > > > > > > > > so does it look like this: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52cd39365bcbf6.01065861.png > > > > > > > > > > ? (thats scale = 1 - standard profile and finger size, not > > > > > mobile). > > > > > > > > Yes it does look like that, though that's only a hand full of > > > > the widgets. The buttons have too much vertical padding around > > > > the text. > > > > > > > > Then there is menus, see my first screen shot. The app in the > > > > background is a V1 Second Life viewer (V2 and V3 have horrible > > > > UI). The semi transparent window to the right is the Elm menu > > > > test. Again there is excess padding around the text, to the > > > > point where the menus are almost twice the size for a similar > > > > font. > > > > > > > > My second screenie is my UI playground, where I'm trying to > > > > figure out how best to do an EFL version of that virtual world > > > > viewer from the first screenie. That's an inlined elm window > > > > (taken from the elm test, so it includes the corner widgets), > > > > an elm toolbar in the top of that window (also borrowed from an > > > > elm test), with a menu in that toolbar, a genlist below the > > > > toolbar, and a button down the bottom. The menu is being > > > > "shown". I have no idea why it has a transparent background. > > > > You can see that the menu is spread over the entire size of the > > > > inlined window, but maybe I need to adjust the fill settings. > > > > It gets even worse if I try to move the mouse over the menu > > > > items, the "debug setings" item fills the window and I can't do > > > > squat with it. > > > > Ah packing it into the box AFTER the menu is created fixed both > > those menu problems. Note that the menu items are taller than the > > genlist items, though that might be excess padding around the menu > > separator. > > menu items are about the same size as a list item - if you meaussre > them side by side. there is a little more pixel pading at the top and > bottom of the menu itself, but otherwise menus in elm are the same > size as in e17/18 (2 more pixels). the menu sizes are what they are > primarily due to fonts - if yopur fonts support all the intl fontsets > they get bigger to accommodate all the added accents and > descenders. :) I'll see if I can get EFL in that app to use the same font as used in that viewer. If it's still bigger, then I can blame the EFL padding. :-P > it really cant pack down more without removing actual styling > (shadows, bevels) or having text overflow bounds of the item/widget. And THAT's what I meant with my minimalist style in the first place. A minimalist style doesn't have all that extra shadows, bevels, and what not that just take up space. Yes, I do want fancy EFL goodness in my GUI sometimes, at other times I just want minimalism, all in the same app. This is what styles is all about, isn't it? -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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