On 30/04/14 14:42, Yossi Kantor wrote:
> On 04/30/2014 04:07 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote:
>> On 30/04/14 13:31, Yossi Kantor wrote:
>>> On 04/30/2014 03:16 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/14 12:50, Yossi Kantor wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a task of transferring the elementary widget item structure and
>>>>> its derivatives to Eo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently there is an internal structure Elm_Widget_Item with its
>>>>> internal (and not too heavily used) API.
>>>>> All of the classes/structures bellow are directly inheriting from
>>>>> Elm_Widget_Item:
>>>>>
>>>>> Elm_Object_Item
>>>>> Elm_Gen_Item
>>>>> Elm_Color_Item
>>>>> Elm_Ctxpopup_Item
>>>>> Elm_Dayselector_Item
>>>>> Elm_Diskselector_Item
>>>>> Elm_Flipselector_Item
>>>>> Elm_Hoversel_Item
>>>>> Elm_Index_Item
>>>>> Elm_List_Item
>>>>> Elm_Menu_Item
>>>>> Elm_Multibuttonentry_Item
>>>>> Elm_Naviframe_Item
>>>>> Elm_Segment_Item
>>>>> Elm_Slideshow_Item
>>>>> Elm_Toolbar_Item
>>>>>
>>>>> All of them except Elm_Object_Item are totally private, visible only to
>>>>> their specific container. The public access to them is made
>>>>> through the Elm_Object_Item, which is basically a wrapper around
>>>>> Elm_Widget_Item, providing public and stable API functions to
>>>>> the Elm_Widget_Item structure of a desired derived class. Naturally, out
>>>>> of protection reasons, not all of the Elm_Widget_Item internal API 
>>>>> functions
>>>>> have representation by Elm_Object_Item interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> My plan is:
>>>>> Make just one base eo class Elm_Object_Item from which all of the
>>>>> classes listed above will directly inherit (once eo). This class will
>>>>> have the internal structure
>>>>> of Elm_Widget_Item (just like now) and public methods and generated
>>>>> legacy for all of the interface function Elm_Object_Item has now
>>>>> and protected methods for all methods that Elm_Widget_Item API has and
>>>>> Elm_Object_Item doesn't.
>>>>> Elm_Widget_Item as a name and legacy functions will be removed.
>>>>> Elm_Widget_Item legacy functions will be replaced by eo functions calls
>>>>> on Elm_Object_Item where needed in the code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions/feedbacks are welcomed.
>>>> The way things work there is as follows:
>>>> Elm_Widget* like the rest of the EFL is internal and yeah, can be merged
>>>> in principle. This is what done with Elm (non item) too. However there,
>>>> you guys chose Elm_Widget as the name that stays, so maybe stick to
>>>> that. That's a better name anyway.
>>> I have to keep the Elm_Object_Item name and not Elm_Widget_Item because
>>> the first is public and the second is not.
>> We've done differently with Elm, and it's the same case there. You can
>> just keep the legacy functions public and keep the class name widget.
>> Legacy doesn't dictate how new API is created.
>
> Elm_Object_Item is a type name used outside the elementary world to
> return or refer to items
> of containers. It must be there cause external programs call it that. We
> might
> typedef Elm_Widget_Item Elm_Object_Item, but thats about it. Am I wrong?

I know what Elm_Object_Item is used for, and I know it's exposed all 
around the API. It should, as with anything else we've done be typedefed 
to Eo *, not Elm_Widget_Item, there shouldn't be that kind of type.

>
>>>> As for the rest, I have nothing specific to say. Just follow what you
>>>> guys have been doing with Elm, as that was good.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I hope you are not only doing it because "it's a task", and you
>>>> understand how important this is for the whole EFL.
>>> I fail to see the contradiction between something being important and
>>> being a task.
>> You've also failed to read what I've said.
>>
>> I never even implied there was a contradiction between the two, I just
>> tried to make sure you understand how important this task is because
>> from your email it sounded like you didn't really want to do it and was
>> forced to.
> As for this one, well, my feelings about this are irrelevant for that
> matter.
> While I'm entitled to my own feelings, opinions and judgments, whether I
> speak them
> out or not, the quality of my work is unaffected by that. Thats just
> professional
> integrity. Or beeing a grownup. Either way makes my life great and under
> my control.
>


Well, my experience about my self and others, and for all I know 
everyone agrees that motivation leads to better result. I think you 
might not be 100% honest with yourself with those claims, but if I'm 
wrong, and you are special in that regard, good for you. It has nothing 
to do with professional integrity or being a grown-up, it has to do with 
human psychology.
Anyway, glad to see you are a perfect specimen.

I really don't feel like arguing this point, so let's just drop it.

--
Tom.



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