On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:19:00 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > log into text console and fix. something we (the people doing this) > are perfectly capable of the odd time this might happen.
But what about other less capable people? Screw them? They are not good enough to run E? > i have no need or desire to change that... so i, like yoz and others > just set things up to run what we always use... :) Yes, but I am talking about the process for other people. Developers can easily customize things for their own needs. My concern is users. > no one said every > user should go do this and write a systemd service/unit file and set > up a user session login by hand. but we do. many of us do. it's an > indicator that the functionality of a full login manager isn't as > critical to us and thus we might prioritize other things ahead of it. What should users do? That is the question. What is the standard way that users should start E? Most will rely on a display/login manager for such functionality. It is easy to see this topic is not of concern to E developers thus nothing exists that works beyond spawny/anna. I would think end user experience to be the main driving factor for all things. Other critical things would be secondary. If you have no users, then your glorious code and development efforts are moot. Lots of wonderful obscure tech that very few or no one uses. It is up to E developers what they want E to be, niche or mainstream. Small user base and community, or large. I do develop for me, in the hopes its useful for others. I do not necessarily care if others use what I develop. Though I would hope others would, and if they have needs/issues. I would look to address and not put my own stuff beyond theirs. It depends if I want users or not, and how I go about that process. Some communities have really turned their back. With the stance, that only the developers matter. Their opinion is what matters since they are doing the work. The opinions, needs, etc of the users is secondary. It is a really good way to kill a community IMHO. IMHO the communities that do best cater to the needs of their users as best they can. While maintaining their unique direction and development goals. Its a fine difficult balance. -- William L. Thomson Jr.
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