On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:43:57 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> said:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:19:00 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > log into text console and fix. something we (the people doing this) > > are perfectly capable of the odd time this might happen. > > But what about other less capable people? Screw them? They are not good > enough to run E? i think you need to take that record that is spinning in your head and try another one. no one said anything of the sort or even close. i already said that in my last email... try reset that impression > > i have no need or desire to change that... so i, like yoz and others > > just set things up to run what we always use... :) > > Yes, but I am talking about the process for other people. Developers > can easily customize things for their own needs. My concern is users. and we're just talking amongst ourselves about what we are doing... so what? are we no longer allowed to do this? when did this new rule appear? > > no one said every > > user should go do this and write a systemd service/unit file and set > > up a user session login by hand. but we do. many of us do. it's an > > indicator that the functionality of a full login manager isn't as > > critical to us and thus we might prioritize other things ahead of it. > > What should users do? That is the question. What is the standard way > that users should start E? Most will rely on a display/login manager > for such functionality. did you follow this thread at all? go back and re-read it. that has been discussed (use e as the login manager). we were just having another chat. that chat was already had an no one disagreed on the direction. long-term and big picture ESPECIALLY for wayland it's the sanest path. we're having another side-discussion here amongst devs. > It is easy to see this topic is not of concern to E developers thus > nothing exists that works beyond spawny/anna. > > I would think end user experience to be the main driving factor for all > things. Other critical things would be secondary. If you have no users, > then your glorious code and development efforts are moot. > > Lots of wonderful obscure tech that very few or no one uses. It is up > to E developers what they want E to be, niche or mainstream. Small user > base and community, or large. > > I do develop for me, in the hopes its useful for others. I do not > necessarily care if others use what I develop. Though I would hope > others would, and if they have needs/issues. I would look to address > and not put my own stuff beyond theirs. It depends if I want users or > not, and how I go about that process. > > Some communities have really turned their back. With the stance, that > only the developers matter. Their opinion is what matters since they > are doing the work. The opinions, needs, etc of the users is secondary. > It is a really good way to kill a community IMHO. both matter. we are not slaves to users. we give up a lot of our time for them for free. so we prioritize. if he have something for users that we hate... you can bet that it'd be the end of development. on the other side it's nice to make something other people like and use. but stop that repeating record that this is what we're telling USERS to do. maybe the want to and can do it for now. maybe use entrance. for wayland we have no solution at all at this point, so do this or find some other solution until such a time as we do have one. > IMHO the communities that do best cater to the needs of their users as > best they can. While maintaining their unique direction and development > goals. Its a fine difficult balance. > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
