On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:28:56 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> said:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:30:56 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:43:57 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." > > <wlt...@o-sinc.com> said: > > > > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:19:00 +0900 > > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > log into text console and fix. something we (the people doing > > > > this) are perfectly capable of the odd time this might happen. > > > > > > But what about other less capable people? Screw them? They are not > > > good enough to run E? > > > > i think you need to take that record that is spinning in your head > > and try another one. no one said anything of the sort or even close. > > i already said that in my last email... try reset that impression > > I still have not seen how anyone is doing this specifically. Seems like > a systemd service file would be standard. > > > > > > > i have no need or desire to change that... so i, like yoz and > > > > others just set things up to run what we always use... :) > > > > > > Yes, but I am talking about the process for other people. Developers > > > can easily customize things for their own needs. My concern is > > > users. > > > > and we're just talking amongst ourselves about what we are doing... > > so what? are we no longer allowed to do this? when did this new rule > > appear? > > I said nothing of the sort, simply, What are users supposed to do? you keep going on about "what do users do". use whatever display manager you like. we install xsession desktop files so it'll be listed in the available sessions along with everything else... we dont have to do anything more to be user friendly at all. in this thread we talked about what we should do in future for a wayland world where we'd recycle e as the login manager. yoz already said that that is in fact his plan and that means the entrance code and project itself is "dead". > > did you follow this thread at all? go back and re-read it. that has > > been discussed (use e as the login manager). we were just having > > another chat. that chat was already had an no one disagreed on the > > direction. long-term and big picture ESPECIALLY for wayland it's the > > sanest path. we're having another side-discussion here amongst devs. > > Yes I have been following the thread. If E is the log in manager, how > do you log into other stuff if needed? i explained that already. > > both matter. we are not slaves to users. we give up a lot of our time > > for them for free. so we prioritize. if he have something for users > > that we hate... you can bet that it'd be the end of development. on > > the other side it's nice to make something other people like and use. > > I understand, but users can eventually become contributors and > developers. Usually the more users, the more developers. Not sure the > inverse is true. > > IMHO the biggest difference between open source and closed is you are > giving a crap about end users. You could just as well right code for > free for yourself and no one else. that's exactly how e started... if others find it nice and like it - great. if not... doesn't matter too much. so i'v explained that all this "just use systemd user session" etc. stuff is what we devs do. we're not telling users to go do this. use whatever login manager u like. > > but stop that repeating record that this is what we're telling USERS > > to do. maybe the want to and can do it for now. maybe use entrance. > > for wayland we have no solution at all at this point, so do this or > > find some other solution until such a time as we do have one. > > Users are not told anything. Seems at this time they have to figure it > out themselves. > > There is a solution for X and Wayland called spawny/anna from a EFL/E > dev. That there is NO solution is simply untrue. Why spawny/anna > is not be considered at all seems strange. But I believe it works and > is usable now, today. i don't use it. bu5hm4n does not want it to be part of e and wants it separate. that rules it out for me and for any future login manager based on e (not entrance). that's his choice. > I only went to Entrance, since it ran into some oddness in packaging > 1 of spawny's deps. Its a strange package. Also since it seems the > E/EFL community is not interested in spawny/anna, and does not seem to > be a contender for the default for E. Seemed like it made some sense to > fix entrance. Then there will be 2 options. There can always be a third. not interested because of all the reasons given. doing a custom gui means eventually having to write al the multi-screen handling code and power management and what not over again. re-using e and all of its support and infra makes far more sense. if you want usable, use whatever login manager your distro uses 99% of distros have a default one they come with. only a few don't. we have no "works everywhere" replacement at this point. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
