I think it would be reasonable to assume that I was not meaning force everyone to be awake all the time. Something that I have learned recently, however, is that there is a big difference between massages and communication (think similar to how data is not as meaningful as information) - that is what interests me. Rather than just creating a bigger room where more people can miss each other why not figure smarter ways to get the right folk connected - or connect new people with their answers directly. It does not have to mean sleep depravation!
Andy On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 at 00:39, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 18:32:23 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> > said: > > > With another way to get folk on IRC we don't necessarily improve the > > experience for folk looking for help - it's a mass of folk who may be afk > > or may not be able to answer the questions - a lot of the time we see > > we at least connect the people. you can't force people to be awake 24/7 or > to > answer things. you can smooth the entry barriers down as much as possible > in > the hope things improve. > > > people join, ask a question and leave some time later having "no waited > > long enough" for the right person to swing by. I'd be keen to see if > there > > are mechanisms for answering questions quicker or helping folk identify > how > > to get answers faster or more reliably... > > pay people fulltime to be alert 24/7 to reply? irc (and even slack) is for > the > impatient and for "instant response". that's it's nature. otherwise we have > used email for longer term stuff. and as was mentioned - forums are the www > equivalent. you still then have a barrier of making people register etc. > and > then if forms don't integrate with email as it stands we divide the > community > again... which is why i'd prefer a solution that keeps it together as much > as > possible to improve the chances that people actually interact. :) > > > Andy > > > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 10:25, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 22:06:16 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > > <ras...@rasterman.com> said: > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:14:29 +0100 Al Poole <nets...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > I think you're right if you're only talking about developers. It > would > > > be > > > > > good to get users involved, i see there's quite a lot of people who > > > hang > > > > > out in #e on freenode. If they could be more engaged that might be > > > > > encouraging to them and let developers do dev.... > > > > > > > > the problem is we need and want developers to engage with users. > reddit > > > is a > > > > good example of a well done "forum". the real thing is a stand alone > > > forum > > > > fragments further. if we can tie it to email that'd be perfect. > > > > > > > > smooch is a good idea too. has technical issues and usability > problems, > > > but i > > > > think we could take the idea and improve it with better integration > to > > > irc > > > > e.g. use an irc bot on #e and the bot just provides a WWW window > into #e > > > for > > > > as long as the chat window in the browser is up. > > > > > > FYI: > > > > > > http://rdf4j.org/support/irc-web-chat/ > > > https://kiwiirc.com/ > > > > > > having that come up and just join #e (and nothing else) on our www > might > > > actually be the best.... :) maybe just provide a "select nick name > here" > > > box > > > with a "go chat" and have it randomly choose the default nick name in > js > > > on the > > > www page... :) glue #e to slack like we glued #edevelop with a bot. > IMHO > > > better > > > than smooch by far. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 7:27 AM, Pierre Couderc <pie...@couderc.eu> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 07/09/2017 06:30 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> with mailing list, phab and irc as the current way to ask > > > questions, > > > > > >> file bugs or talk about development, is there sufficiently > manpower > > > to > > > > > >> ask more questions in a forum ? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> i don't think so. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Vincent > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > -------------- > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > -------------- > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > > http://andywilliams.me > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > -- http://andywilliams.me http://ajwillia.ms ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
