On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:16:09 -0400 The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> said:
e16 and e17 are not even the same wm - e17 is a new wm entirely, thus don't expect it to have the same config options, nor even work the same way. certain things have just been dropped as they are "not useful" or "painful to support" or conflict with some new things. others are probably in e17 just "in disguise" under the name of a new option or just done in a different way. some things are changed due to experience in trying to support e16 and discovering pain as a result (eg no fully customisable main menus - they are pretty close to fixed except for specific sub-sections due to the fact that distributions would play with the menus and change them and leave us to support people who now have different menus to those we ship). so simply listing them and finishing the same or similar option name is not a useful task. of course unlike, let's say gnome, we don't believe in "options are the tool of the devil, so remove them all!" :) (ok just having fun), but the gnome guys do have 1 good point - if you can do something so it "just works" without there being an option, this is MUCH better than using an option to patch over laziness in coding. in some cases we will be lazy because we don't know the solution yet, in others we just don't want to spend the time, and in yet others we've gone and solved it, removing the need for an option. i will never bother going through e16's options list and "implementing them all". it'll never happen. instead - ask for the options you want and we'll see what we can do. frankly we can;'t spend the next N years adding every option on the planet in and not release. as such e17 has a boat-load of options already and is perfectly usable, and imho much more usable than e16. it simply needs polishing off of what is there (fix bugs, add in the absolutely most necessary options to make it function ok, and clean up up, labelling, config etc.) and release. we can (and will) add options over time and newer versions anyway as we are "option friendly". but note - some things will go away as options over time, e.g. compositor will stop being a module and be a core element. no option of turning it off anymore (which kills off dropshadow module too). > I am a long-time user of E16. From time to time, I've tried out E17 to see > whether it might be suitable, on the grounds that A: why not, and B: if E16 > ever does "go away" for lack of maintenance, a suitable substitute would be > needed. However, I have never been able to configure E17 into anything > suffiiciently close to my preferred configuration. > > On the most recent attempt, rather than just playing around with the E17 > options and trying to find ways to match my preferred setup, I decided to > take a more methodical approach: to go through the E16 configuration options > in detail and try to identify, from a user's perspective, how to achieve the > same effect in E17. I expected that most of them would turn out to be fairly > simple and straightforward - essentially the same options (by whatever > names), just cleaned up and reorganized. > > Instead, I was rather disturbed to discover that even at what appears to be a > rather late stage of E17 development, something on the order of two-thirds of > the options from the E16 "Settings" dialog do not seem to have functioning > equivalents in E17, so far as I can find - and in all but a very few of those > cases, do not even seem to exist in E17 at all. > > > Is it really intended that E17 lack much of the customizability and/or > configurability which was present in E16? If not, is that customizability > really still so far from being fully implemented (despite the years of E17 > development), or have I simply not managed to find the vast majority of the > customizability which does already exist? > > -- > The Wanderer > > Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any > side of it. > > Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. > - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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