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From: "The Wanderer"
To: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:59:00 PM
Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17 feature parity
On 07/29/2012 11:12 AM, Wido wrote:
> On Sunday July 29 2012 11:43:27 The Wanderer escribió:
>
>> On 07/29/2012 09:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> as such e17 has a boat-load of options already and is perfectly usable,
>>> and imho much more usable than e16. it simply needs polishing off of what
>>> is there (fix bugs, add in the absolutely most necessary options to make
>>> it function ok, and clean up up, labelling, config etc.) and release. we
>>> can (and will) add options over time and newer versions anyway as we are
>>> "option friendly". but note - some things will go away as options over
>>> time, e.g. compositor will stop being a module and be a core element. no
>>> option of turning it off anymore (which kills off dropshadow module too).
>>
>> Ergh. That's unpleasant for me; turning off compositing is one of the steps
>> which I've found necessary in getting E17 even as close to my preferred
>> configuration as I've managed. There are at least two behaviors which show
>> up when I turn it on (window translucency and a strange visual "size
>> bounce" effect when switching focus) which I find undesirable, and the
>> latter at least I've found no way to turn off without unloading the
>> composite module.
>
> To change how the comp works, go to control panel -> composite -> effects
> tab. In styles you can change the behaviour (I have everything and and
> windows don't 'wobble' when selected)
I did find that, yes.
Unfortunately, none of the settings in the Effects tab seem obviously related to
the "bounce" / "wobble" effect, and most of them seem to have cryptic names
which don't seem to be explained anywhere nearby.
I do see what looks like the same "bounce" in the cyclic animations of some of
the things which look like "previews" on the Default sub-tab of the Effects tab,
but I can't find any way to edit any of those. (I see what look like the same
objects on the Style tab of the Edit dialog of each of the entries in the Over
sub-tab, but I don't see any way to change any of them from there, either.)
I do think I see how to change among the listed "styles" (I presume is what
they're called" on the "Default" sub-tab, by clicking on one and then selecting
Apply, but I don't see any clear indication of what each style actually
includes; the preview animation isn't especially helpful there, given that all
of them seem nearly identical aside from one or two little details.
I'll be honest: I don't see why *anyone* would actually want this "bounce"
behavior, at least to such an extreme degree. As such, I would think it would be
far better to have it disabled by default, if indeed present at all. However,
even if it is desired enough to justify its being the default, the way to
disable it needs to be far more obvious than it appears to be.
Beyond that, I think that the entire Effects tab needs to be much more
comprehensible, or at the very least to come with a pointer to documentation -
"if you don't understand this section of the configuration, go read about it
here". However, it does seem plausible that this lack might be because Composite
isn't complete or isn't "ready for prime time" yet.
(None of that addresses the "memory footprint" and related arguments, which do
matter to me if only for reasons of principle, but I'm not planning to argue
that one in depth without trying to get some actual data to back myself up with;
it's entirely possible that my impression of E17's relative resource usage is
far out of sync with reality.)
--
The Wanderer
Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any
side of it.
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I have no real answers, however as best as I can tell, the first sheet on the
compositing options are preconfigured defaults.
Every time I have used the compositor, I just go to the options and select the
"none" on the default screen.
This disables transparencies and the wobble.
I do however also want to vote against "forcing" the compositor.
It has never really worked for me, both performance wise, and random weird
graphical issue wise.
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