On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:22:05 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis <rob...@split.gr> said:
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Wanderer" > To: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:59:00 PM > Subject: Re: [e-users] E16/E17 feature parity > > On 07/29/2012 11:12 AM, Wido wrote: > > > On Sunday July 29 2012 11:43:27 The Wanderer escribió: > > > >> On 07/29/2012 09:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > >>> as such e17 has a boat-load of options already and is perfectly usable, > >>> and imho much more usable than e16. it simply needs polishing off of what > >>> is there (fix bugs, add in the absolutely most necessary options to make > >>> it function ok, and clean up up, labelling, config etc.) and release. we > >>> can (and will) add options over time and newer versions anyway as we are > >>> "option friendly". but note - some things will go away as options over > >>> time, e.g. compositor will stop being a module and be a core element. no > >>> option of turning it off anymore (which kills off dropshadow module too). > >> > >> Ergh. That's unpleasant for me; turning off compositing is one of the steps > >> which I've found necessary in getting E17 even as close to my preferred > >> configuration as I've managed. There are at least two behaviors which show > >> up when I turn it on (window translucency and a strange visual "size > >> bounce" effect when switching focus) which I find undesirable, and the > >> latter at least I've found no way to turn off without unloading the > >> composite module. > > > > To change how the comp works, go to control panel -> composite -> effects > > tab. In styles you can change the behaviour (I have everything and and > > windows don't 'wobble' when selected) > > I did find that, yes. > > Unfortunately, none of the settings in the Effects tab seem obviously related > to the "bounce" / "wobble" effect, and most of them seem to have cryptic names > which don't seem to be explained anywhere nearby. how are they cryptic? they are named after usage. eg things used for menus, popup. there is a "still" one that is totally still... another used for everything. etc. choose the one u prefer. it shows it right there animated as a preview visually so someone who is totally illiterate can even see what they do :). ever tries just selecting one and seeing if u like it or not? > I do see what looks like the same "bounce" in the cyclic animations of some of > the things which look like "previews" on the Default sub-tab of the Effects > tab, but I can't find any way to edit any of those. (I see what look like the > same objects on the Style tab of the Edit dialog of each of the entries in > the Over sub-tab, but I don't see any way to change any of them from there, > either.) they are all provided by the theme. if you want to edit - break out your text editor and make a theme. these effects are not implemented in code anywhere, they are defined by the theme as whole already done packaged "looks", thus you don't edit them - you just select. > I do think I see how to change among the listed "styles" (I presume is what > they're called" on the "Default" sub-tab, by clicking on one and then > selecting Apply, but I don't see any clear indication of what each style > actually includes; the preview animation isn't especially helpful there, > given that all of them seem nearly identical aside from one or two little > details. that is all that is different. they are all just subtly different. > I'll be honest: I don't see why *anyone* would actually want this "bounce" > behavior, at least to such an extreme degree. As such, I would think it would > be far better to have it disabled by default, if indeed present at all. > However, even if it is desired enough to justify its being the default, the > way to disable it needs to be far more obvious than it appears to be. if you had updated e in the past we weeks u'll notice default doesnt fade or wobble anymore - it only zooms+fades in and out on show/hide and has a shadow. but again - it always has been configurable so always fixable to whatever tickles your fancy. > Beyond that, I think that the entire Effects tab needs to be much more > comprehensible, or at the very least to come with a pointer to documentation - > "if you don't understand this section of the configuration, go read about it > here". However, it does seem plausible that this lack might be because > Composite isn't complete or isn't "ready for prime time" yet. why don't you just try select one and hit apply? "no - don't like that.. try another"... keep trying until u are happy. it isn't an exam where u have to get it right and you are graded on your first and only answer. :) there is a very short lit of available styles by default... choose one. :) > (None of that addresses the "memory footprint" and related arguments, which do > matter to me if only for reasons of principle, but I'm not planning to argue > that one in depth without trying to get some actual data to back myself up > with; it's entirely possible that my impression of E17's relative resource > usage is far out of sync with reality.) by moving compositing into corer we actually reduce memory footprint compared to it being in a module. we'll save at a MINIMUM 1x the size of your framebuffer (eg if 1920x1080 then that's 8mb). just to start. we'll save even more in reality (if using gl for compositing then something like about 16-18mb will get saved given the 1080p screen) and then when things like desklock appear we save an additional 8mb etc. for software compositing savings are a bit lower - 8-10mb normally with 8mb saved while desklock is up etc. > -- > The Wanderer > > Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any > side of it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > I have no real answers, however as best as I can tell, the first sheet on the > compositing options are preconfigured defaults. Every time I have used the > compositor, I just go to the options and select the "none" on the default > screen. This disables transparencies and the wobble. > > I do however also want to vote against "forcing" the compositor. > > It has never really worked for me, both performance wise, and random weird > graphical issue wise. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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