On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:36:24 +0200 Alberto Verdoja <[email protected]> said:
> Hi to all, > I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view > at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. > I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the end of the > mail to a short version of my point of view :D > > Thanks for all your feedback, there's some useful tips about icons and > battery gadget (pretty sure battery gadget uses the same codes of default E > theme cause I don't have a laptop and I can't test it) and I'll look at > that when I have more free time. This thread is much more useful than the > flame topic on reddit :) > > Here's the goals of what is my Radiance theme. > FIRST GOAL: UNIFIED LOOK > When I use a DE I need that the theme is unique for all applications. So I > have to create a theme that matches well with a GTK themes. > On the past I've ported for GTK2 some E17 themes (blingbling, Gant and > A-lots of A-Agust's A-themes), but with the release of GTK3 I can't create > a GTK2 and a GTK3 theme both. > So while I don't want to port E17 Theme to GTK3, I've decided to create E17 > themes that cames from the design of GTK3. > GTK3, like E, every update can screw a little (or a big) part of the theme, > so keep it mainteined it's a big job, if you noticed themes available for > GTK3 soon or later go old. There's a couple of theme that are keep updated: > Adwaita (you don't say?) and "Light Themes" Radiance and Ambiance theme, > from Ubuntu. > I preferer between Radiance, Ambiance and Adwaita the first one, so I've > create a theme that matches well with Radiance. > Yes. E with Radiance looks like Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu or Unity, but I > want that E applications look like GTK's ones and there's a few GTK themes > on the place that are updated. So I choose the theme that I like more: > Radiance. > > SECOND GOAL: ...A LOT OF COLORS > As on "Black and White and a Lot of Colors > <http://avduma.deviantart.com/art/Black-and-White-and-a-lot-of-colors-351791124>" > , I love the possibility E gives to change colors with Settings -> Looks -> > Colors. > I've suggested the creator of relighted theme to use this features and it > is born Relightable and I've used the same idea also on Radiance. > I've invented nothing new 'cause color classes is a cool options from EDJE. > SO > On Radiance Theme you can edit ALL the colors. > Don't you like Radiance Color Scheme? Change it! > So if you feel purply one day, change your color, if you feel bluey or > reddy or yellowy, you can change color scheme. > Easly, with a GUI. > Unfortunately E-devs have removed "Focus" options from Color Settings GUI > (please readd the options! :D ) and the Ubuntu Orange of selected items is > changeable only decompiling the theme > BUT > I've created a file named radconf that with #define options allows to > change color scheme like in old GNOME 2 way: background, foreground, > selected background, selected foreground, etc etc. > If you want to change more deeply, you can see on color_class.edc and > change the theme. > No digging on edc files and search the correct part because it's all binded > to a color class. > So if you want to use another GTK theme (I've used ZonColor Green for a > while with my Radiance Theme and it is looking good: > http://imgur.com/DZdz041.png ) you have three different way to best fit > your tasties. > > For Bodhi Linux I've started to edit the color scheme of my theme and GTK > theme to something that takes orange and green color directly from the > color of the Bodhi Linux CSS site. All the question about colors > psychology, fashion, "de gustibus" I remand directly to Jeff and/or Joris > about the scheme, I've followed their scheme. > > > > If you don't like some gadgets or modules or pixmap I've choose, I happily > change to best fit user interfaces guidelines or tasties. > If you don't like rounded borders, the "murrina" shines that Radiance and > Ubuntu themes have, I understand your thoughts. > If you want square and flat just because now it's "modern" or "fancy > fashion" it is your choiche, I respect but I don't have plan to create > something like this becuase I like murrina shine, the good old GTK 2 and > the cube, flames and other RAM warping effects of compiz :) (and "you all > can keep the change" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0 -sorry for > the flame :) - ) > BUT > If you don't like Color Scheme, please consider to change the colors. I've > spend a lot of time using white pixmap to allows this feature and avoid > tons of themes with same pixmap but different colors (unfortunately E17 had > a lots of this themes and they all look amateurish / not complete / crappy). > At the moment I'm not on E, so I can't send you a shot of my theme gray and > blue, like Elementary OS, but, for ezample, IT IS POSSIBLE. > > So please change the theme to best fit your color. It's all explained on my > deviantArt page here > <http://avduma.deviantart.com/#/art/E19-Radiance-Theme-with-a-Lot-of-Colors-451995096?hf=1> > or on e17-stuff > <http://e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/Radiance...+with+a+Lot+of+Colors?content=165101> > and spread the screenshot with the theme with different colors to show that > if you don't like brown, red, oange you can use gray, blue, purple! > > For rasterman please re-add "Focus" color class on Settings -> Look -> > Colors and bind elementary color classes to the Colors Settings dialog. focus? it's there... at least for the compositor: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5398db9da2f525.82913551.png what focus are you talking about? > I know you have things more important so I don't open phab ticket for this, > but it should be very cool if we could have this features. > > Thanks to all, > > ___ > Alberto "Duma" Verdoja > > > 2014-06-11 12:13 GMT+02:00 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>: > > > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:22:00 +0200 Martin Koelewijn < > > [email protected]> > > said: > > > > > @raster: I'm curious about the gtkrc you made. The attachment, as usual, > > > failed to arrive at the mailing list. Could you paste it somewhere and > > > share the link? Thanks. > > > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/file/info/PHID-FILE-dpri745rnyuhghdlljdn/ > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 00:22:08 -0500 Jeff Hoogland > > <[email protected]> > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking > > about E > > > > in > > > > > general. > > > > > > > > i read the thread - the reddit one, and they are. when they are > > specific: > > > > > > > > "Looks like a baby took a shit on your screen as you were taking > > > > screenshots. > > > > Suggestion, use less baby shit green. I hope you find this new > > information > > > > helpful." > > > > > > > > and they continue down that thread. green in the bodhi theme > > screenshot. > > > > the > > > > original comment from bitchessuck was ambiguous but during that thead > > he > > > > clearly seems to be talking of the bodhi theme. more comments on the > > bodhi > > > > screenshot thread: > > > > > > > > "Some things are subjective, but others aren't. Consider color schemes > > or > > > > consistency." > > > > > > > > "Yeah, but only slightly I should also mention the fonts are too large, > > > > and the > > > > icons are awful." > > > > > > > > "The icon size isn't the problem, although the size of one of the > > icons is > > > > off. > > > > The icons have wildly different style, the power icon is just ugly and > > > > badly > > > > drawn, and the meaning of those icons is hard to guess. Alignment is > > also > > > > a bit > > > > off." > > > > > > > > in fact the majority of comments on the reddit thread are clearly > > about the > > > > bodhi theme thread, with others ambiguous. > > > > > > > > the webupd8 one i quoted below - the things people specifically > > criticize > > > > OTHER > > > > than "it's dark and i don't like dark" (which was basically one guy) > > and > > > > "it > > > > doesn't look flat and modern" were about poor mismatching in the ui - > > the > > > > red > > > > glossy class shiny power button for example. the awful gradients in efm > > > > thanks > > > > to the different theme. > > > > > > > > i took the time out to read the entire reddit thread and webupd8 > > thread. > > > > there > > > > is a pattern: > > > > > > > > 1. people don't like the half-arsed themes with inconsistency. > > > > 2. there are a bunch of people who think it must be modern and flat or > > > > then it > > > > sucks > > > > 3. there are some people who don't like dark stuff > > > > > > > > there are ALSO people who indicate they LIKE the non-flat look also in > > > > those > > > > threads. there are people who indicate they LIKE the dark. some like > > these, > > > > some don't, but i saw no one champion inconsistent looks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That web update thread goes back to a point where we don't have a > > > > "default" > > > > > Bodhi theme - we have a selection of themes at startup which includes > > > > your > > > > > dark default theme. > > > > > > > > > > What doesn't look consistent and/or polished about our current theme > > for > > > > > 3.0.0? Just like the default - it can come in many different colors, > > so > > > > > saying "green is bad" is a cop out. As many have mentioned it looks > > > > fairly > > > > > similar to unity - which many of these same people complaining about > > how > > > > E > > > > > looks/functions are happy with. > > > > > > > > didn't i repeat it often enough below? > > > > > > > > PEOPLE JUDGE YOU ON YOUR SCREENSHOTS. > > > > > > > > they don't see the other colors - they see the one image on that blog > > post > > > > and > > > > then make their decision. it's not a copy out. you asked what all that > > > > response > > > > is about - it is about the screenshot on your blog. webup8 is about the > > > > set of > > > > screenshots in the article above. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Carsten Haitzler < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm going to respond here and include some stuff put into the > > thread so > > > > > > far. > > > > > > before i do that note that several efl devs you'd want to talk to > > are > > > > not > > > > > > subscribed to this mailing list, so expect you are seeing a subset > > of > > > > the > > > > > > audience. > > > > > > > > > > > > now covering some of the reddit comments. they are talking of the > > bodhi > > > > > > linux > > > > > > theme, and at a personal level, i agree. i don't like it. why? > > color > > > > > > selection > > > > > > for starters. orange and green. not a great choice. the default > > theme > > > > > > isn't an > > > > > > accident. i actually did research. i didn't want to be light as > > frankly > > > > > > it's > > > > > > glaring on the eyes and looking at a large set of our userbase, > > they > > > > like > > > > > > dark > > > > > > themes. also it's "different" and thus makes e stand out. if e > > blends > > > > in > > > > > > and is > > > > > > just like everything else, then from a marketing point of view, we > > have > > > > > > much > > > > > > less to offer. > > > > > > > > > > > > now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some > > > > contrast and > > > > > > difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. > > blue > > > > is > > > > > > NOT > > > > > > an accident: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/popularcolor/popularcolor > > > > > > http://www.infoplease.com/spot/colors1.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hgtv.com/color/the-5-most-popular-colors-from-hgtvcom/pictures/index.html > > > > > > http://www.thetoptens.com/top-ten-favorite-colors/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forum.softpedia.com/topic/577468-culoarea-masinii-preferinte-in-diverse-zone-ale-globului/ > > > > > > http://autos.aol.com/article/color-study-2009/ > > > > > > http://www.mojomotors.com/blog/the-most-popular-car-colors/ > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.catsynth.com/2007/01/fun-with-stats-most-popular-car-colors/ > > > > > > > > > > > > (i can continue finding references). > > > > > > > > > > > > notice several things. black (or dark grey) and blue feature high > > in > > > > > > preferences > > > > > > of people around the world. see the psychology one. black gives > > power > > > > and > > > > > > authority, it also implies professionalism. blue implies peace and > > > > > > tranquility > > > > > > and can improve productivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > these choices are far from being an accident. also dark colors use > > less > > > > > > power > > > > > > on oled panels. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > now for being different. attracting attention. standing out. if we > > > > looked > > > > > > the > > > > > > same, we'd blend in and then you find it hard to get people to > > switch. > > > > > > "you're > > > > > > just the same!". they look at screenshots. they dont spend the > > time to > > > > use > > > > > > and > > > > > > get to know e. they make their decisions on pretty pictures. > > > > > > > > > > > > so the bodhi color choice i would say goes contrary to what is > > popular > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > "acceptable" for people. sure - the green stands out, but people > > don't > > > > > > really > > > > > > like green for their ui. looking at the theme, it looks almost > > EXACTLY > > > > > > like a > > > > > > green version of ubuntu. i look at it and go "ewww. uglier > > ubuntu.". it > > > > > > has no > > > > > > character. it has no soul. it has no identity of its own. it's a > > copy > > > > of an > > > > > > existing ui just with worse colors and less polish. you want > > specific > > > > > > feedback, > > > > > > and this is it. at least from me. read up on color psychology and > > > > > > popularity > > > > > > and then make a good choice. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > the next problem is the ubuntu copy look. it just looks bad. it may > > > > blend > > > > > > well > > > > > > with ubuntus mods to gtk so it fits, but then it provides no > > individual > > > > > > character of its own. e then is just a poor copy of unity in > > ubuntu. > > > > > > > > > > > > for e's default theme i chose the colors, then another concept - > > > > > > squareness. i > > > > > > made my gtk match - see attached gtkrc. at least color-wise it > > doesn't > > > > > > stand out > > > > > > glaringly like a sore thumb, but there is a limit to how well they > > can > > > > > > match. > > > > > > back to the default. yes - i chose bevels with shadows and some > > > > gradients. > > > > > > yes > > > > > > it's "old fashioned". the bitchers you see want something that > > looks > > > > just > > > > > > like > > > > > > the flat design in the new osx or what google puts on their pages. > > they > > > > > > want it > > > > > > because they love following fashion. in a few years fashion will > > change > > > > > > again. > > > > > > i, for one, am not the kind of person who reads the fashion mags > > and > > > > buys > > > > > > a new > > > > > > pare of pants, shoes etc. just because it's "the in thing this > > > > season", but > > > > > > reality is a lot of people are just that and they will rain insults > > > > down > > > > > > on you > > > > > > unless what you provide matches THEIR exact perceived idea of what > > is > > > > > > "cool" > > > > > > today. i chose the bevels and shadows because there is a lot of ui > > > > > > precedent > > > > > > that these are important. they indicate to a user that it is a > > BUTTON > > > > to be > > > > > > CLICKED, as opposed to just some flat rectangle with some text in > > it. > > > > > > people > > > > > > have no idea that they can CLICK that. to them it is a passive > > label. i > > > > > > stopped > > > > > > listening to fashion followers long ago, because all you end up > > with > > > > is a > > > > > > continual chasing of the latest trend. reality is that everyone has > > > > > > different > > > > > > tastes and THAT is what themes are for. we don't really have the > > > > manpower > > > > > > to do > > > > > > more than a single well polished theme. we just don't have artists. > > > > even > > > > > > the > > > > > > default theme is lacking. it lacks many icons it should have. the > > icons > > > > > > should > > > > > > be consistent and match the theme, but there just hasn't been time > > to > > > > work > > > > > > on > > > > > > it all. likely there never will be. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes - the icons in the default theme need work. now for the bodhi > > > > theme. > > > > > > take a > > > > > > look at the icons in your screenshot, the "i" icon in the about > > windows > > > > > > has a > > > > > > pure green that kind of clashes with the green int he background. > > some > > > > > > icons - > > > > > > like the about theme one, come from tango. the epad icon looks > > starkly > > > > > > different to the pkgkit shield icon to its right. icons should > > follow > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > style, same look, same lighting and choose colors that don't clash > > or > > > > look > > > > > > garish. again - this is something an artist understands it's the > > words > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > given to those that do the artwork. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you follow that reddit thread talking of webupd8 all the > > negative > > > > > > comments > > > > > > are pretty much a "you're not being fashionable!". but then > > again... > > > > > > several of > > > > > > the comments are pointing out bodhi mods - like the big red shiny > > power > > > > > > button > > > > > > that is basically an early-osx style glassy shine slapped into a ui > > > > that > > > > > > is grey > > > > > > and matte. it just doesn't fit. draw an icon that fits - either an > > > > inset > > > > > > grey > > > > > > power icon or maybe a blue glowing one, but something that matches > > the > > > > > > scheme. > > > > > > the button doesn't match at all. it's out of place. that red power > > > > button > > > > > > may > > > > > > be a module you can remove.. but people JUDGE on screenshots - as > > > > above. > > > > > > you > > > > > > want screenshots to look clean and consistent REGARDLESS of style. > > yes > > > > e's > > > > > > default style has bevels and 3d - but given the comments people > > > > actually > > > > > > don't > > > > > > mind that a lot of the time. it's when you go overboard with shiny > > > > glassy > > > > > > effects that then don't fit, that people start to mock. and they > > are > > > > > > right. it > > > > > > looks amateurish. if you have a style, define it and stick to it - > > > > > > everywhere. > > > > > > again other complaints about "the horrible gradient in the fm > > > > sidebar"... > > > > > > that > > > > > > is a mode from bodhi changing the default. yes - the default could > > do > > > > with > > > > > > more > > > > > > polish - especially icons, BUT the ad-hoc mods that just don't fit > > in > > > > > > stand out > > > > > > and look bad. a lot of comments are personal, color preference > > "lighter > > > > > > please" (and you get the revers if you are light). this is > > something i > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to do eventually - generate a mid grey and light version of the > > default > > > > > > theme > > > > > > from the original, BUT i just haven't gotten to it and i'd want to > > > > polish > > > > > > it up > > > > > > more. i only made colorclasses work again recently. simotek has > > been > > > > > > working on > > > > > > his scripts and tools to generate new colors versions of the > > default > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > is good. they at least look consistent and polished. > > > > > > > > > > > > also there needs to be control. edje files are insanely complex. > > they > > > > can > > > > > > do a > > > > > > hell of a lot. a lot of the design is in restricting what you do. > > > > keeping > > > > > > to a > > > > > > simple and consistent subset of colors, shapes and concepts. bad > > themes > > > > > > just > > > > > > turn on everything including the kitchen sink. > > > > > > > > > > > > also another note. all the HAPPY users go away and be happy. they > > stay > > > > > > quiet. > > > > > > you hear the noise of the UNHAPPY ones, so it always looks out of > > > > > > proportion. > > > > > > there is also always a large set of noisy trolls that love to beat > > > > down on > > > > > > anything but their favorite chosen thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > summary - don't do half-arsed themes. do a full completely done and > > > > > > consistent > > > > > > theme that pays attention to color phsychology. don't mix and match > > > > styles > > > > > > and > > > > > > components. so dot your i's, cross your t's. make your screenshots > > LOOK > > > > > > GOOD. > > > > > > people will judge you on them. most will. choose conservative > > colors in > > > > > > general > > > > > > and make sure everything is polished and consistent. that is what > > lends > > > > > > quality > > > > > > to something. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes the config dialogs are a mess. it's 10 years of config option > > > > addition > > > > > > one > > > > > > after another. it needs a re-do, but the time just hasn't been > > there as > > > > > > other > > > > > > things are more important to where the resources come from (EFL > > itself, > > > > > > wayland > > > > > > etc.). if i had the time, i'd have redone all the icons by now and > > > > have a > > > > > > decent icon theme that ships with e that has 100's of the icons > > needed > > > > to > > > > > > cover > > > > > > most apps. but i don't. :( > > > > > > > > > > > > does this help? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. > > > > Thoughts on > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent example -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ~Jeff Hoogland <http://jeffhoogland.com/> > > > > > > > Thoughts on Technology <http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/>, Tech > > > > Blog > > > > > > > Bodhi Linux <http://bodhilinux.com/>, Enlightenment for your > > Desktop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk > > > > Solutions > > > > > > > Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems > > > > > > > Open Source. 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