On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:02:57 +1000 Daniel Kasak <[email protected]> wrote:
> To be fair, I think you've subtly changed "the point" from "Can't make > new launchers in IBAR" to "won't make new launchers in IBAR without > complaining about it". Actually the subject changed through the natural flow of conversation. And as far as the comment "won't make new launchers in IBAR without complaining about it". That's a fallacy, as I never once said that in this conversation. >You *say* you can't use the "menu system" to > add an icon to an ibar. But you can alt-right-click ( or right-click > the title bar of ) any open window and use the "menu system" to add > the current app to your ibar. There is also a menu item that appears > in my build titled "+ Contents". That's *TWO* methods which involve > menu items which do what you want. I am trying to make an ICON/launcher for a bash script file. Try that with your methods. And if you can PLEASE let me know how. > As for documenting this, a) I found this pretty easily by clicking > around - which is how I assume most Linux users figure out their > desktop environment ( as opposed to reading some documentation - it's > really that that hard ), so I'm not totally convinced it needs > documenting, and b) please document it. > > Further, chill. Hissy fit upon hissy fit, from a non-paying user to a > mailing list full of volunteers is extremely unbecoming. > Dan Dan, I have come on this list over the years with many compliments to the developers and volunteers for the work they do, in fact I have been a member of this list since it's inception I believe. I have been a user of Enlightenment since the early days of E-16. In fact I expressed my appreciation to the maintainer of E-16 as well as Terminology not more than 1 or 2 weeks ago on this list. No one is as appreciative of the work that's done to Enlightenment as I am. There has been NO "hissy fit upon hissy fit" from me in this list. This is the first and only negative comment that I have ever made about enlightenment. It has turned into a longer conversation than I had expected, I will admit. I have tried to be as gentle as possible in my expressions as I could because I do understand that this is a lot of work and is given free to the users, I am no fool. But at the same time it is very possible to be appreciative and at the same time point out things that are absolutely frustrating. I admit I shouldn't have waited til frustration to point out some flaws, I could have been more subdued I admit. But now that's water under the bridge. Anyway, Have a nice day. Larry > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Larry Wyble <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000 > > Daniel Kasak <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are > >> not the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do. > >> > >> Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in > >> ~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you > >> need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC > >> together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path > >> to the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, > >> your .desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the > >> issue is. If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + > >> right-click it, and select: > >> > >> [app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or > >> whatever IBar ) > >> > >> It should now be in your launcher. > >> > >> I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is > >> a "+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing > >> icons and add them to the IBar. > >> > >> Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in > >> ~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you > >> can add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of > >> adding icons to the IBar. > >> > >> There are lots of ways. > >> > >> As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions > >> of E for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - > >> actually it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also > >> appreciate the mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will > >> certainly pay off in the long term. > >> > >> Dan > > > > I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system > > that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many > > years but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many > > undocumented hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the > > piece of software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu > > choices were not actually meant to act as one would presume, then > > why add those choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere > > where they can be easily found? Don't get me wrong I love > > Enlightenment, always have. but the desktop seems to be nothing but > > a testbed for EFL. If Enlightenment desktop is meant to be used by > > the masses then it should perform as expected when using it's own > > menu and configuration system. But it doesn't. There are problems > > all over the desktop that need to be taken care of. > > > > The point was not whether one could get E desktop to do what one > > wanted, the point was that one couldn't get E desktop to perform > > these actions through it's own desktop menu/interface system. And > > many times there is just no way that one can, unless the SECRETS of > > how to accomplish these feats are known. > > > > > >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700 > >> > Eric <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote: > >> >> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700 > >> >> > Eric <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to > >> >> >> create the launcher, what application you are trying to > >> >> >> launch and what errors you are receiving? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Eric > >> >> > > >> >> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new > >> >> > icon > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, > >> >> > application, then click icon and enter the icon name, them > >> >> > click apply and close and nothing happens. It's like typing > >> >> > into nothing and hoping that nothing actually does something > >> >> > for you. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks for replying > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop > >> >> file in the ~/.local/share/applications directory. > >> >> > >> >> Can you see if the entry is located there? If it is, try and > >> >> drag it from the file manager to the ibar between some of the > >> >> other application icons that are already there. > >> >> > >> >> I hope this works for you, > >> >> > >> >> kind regards, > >> >> > >> >> Eric > >> > > >> > Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is > >> > supposed to work. This should be working properly by using the > >> > menus and apps built into Enlightenment, not by working around > >> > the designed operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability > >> > and it's not. It's ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; > >> > Wayland. 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