on 12/21/00 12:37 AM, Omar Shahine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Entourage and Office certainly constitute mainstream software. Thus the
>> question still stands.
> 
> Contrary to what Apple may say, OS X is not "developer complete". It is
> incomplete and changes are still happening. It is next to impossible to
> develop and carbonize an application or set of applications with the sheer
> magnitude of Office and expect it to pop-up right after the OS ships.
> 
> -Omar

Omar (and others on the Office development team),

  I think we all appreciate that it is difficult to develop and carbonize
large application suites such as Office 200x.  The question being asked is
"Is this process underway?"

  Even though OS X is not "developer complete", several large, complex apps
are already headed that direction.  Intuit snuck in a commercial release of
a Carbonized Quicken 2001 (which must have a lot of legacy code), without
even letting most folks know about it.  The new Oni demo released today
(from a pre-MS Bungie) is Carbonized for MacOS X.  And of course MS Internet
Explorer is already there.  So even though it is "next to impossible" with
large applications, some developers are already doing it.

  There have been rumors online that since Office has so many proprietary MS
tweaks in it, that it will NOT be carbonized at all, and instead something
new (such as a Cocoa based suite?) will be developed from scratch.  Any
truth to these rumors?

  Even the most hardcore optimistic Mac user on the list can hardly expect a
MacOS X version of Office in Spring 2001.  What we're wondering is can we
expect it in 2001 at all?  Are there programmers allocated to the
carbonization process, or is it yet to even be considered?  Any idea on
timeframe?

  Thanks for any insight you can provide.

=Dave Holst
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