On 6/5/02 11:10 PM, "Rich Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well Beth Rosengard wrote something or other on 6/5/02 10:39 PM
> 
>> Even the MS News Server?  Because that's what it was.

> Who knows, there are you understand two sets of servers in most cases. The
> senders and the receivers. Now with MS's newsgroups, because they don't
> propagate you have to have your news program to use msnews.microsoft.com,
> and not news.yourhost.com. I can't see, however, that you send mail to the
> newsserver that way, you use your smtp server to send it. I think. I went to
> an ms newsgroup to the first piece there but it was sent by google groups.
> 
> The header read in part:
>> From: //whoever
>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.explorer
>> Subject: OE not saving my read or sent mail
>> Date: 17 May 2002 07:49:12 -0700
>> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
>> Lines: 3
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.201.104
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> 
> Now if this bit was true of every server one would expect no substitutions
> provided MS's server knew about ISO-8858-1 which one would expect but you
> couldn't prove it by me.
> 
> <snip> the rest of the source.
> 
> I went through five posts and four of them were from google and the fifth
> was using Entourage. The fifth one was "US-ASCII" and 7 bit. There is, as
> I'm sure you're aware no requirement to be even using a Mac to read and post
> to a mac oriented newsgroup, even a Microsoft newsgroup. I often read them
> using something else other than Entourage because, truth be told, both
> E'rage and Outlook aren't very good news readers. Especially when it comes
> to joining posts. I suspect that the ONLY reason they are there is to
> provide some sort of access to the MSNEWS server and that the people writing
> the code did just as much as they had to to make it work.

Well, as a matter of fact, Allen was *not* posting from Entourage.  It was
NewsWatcher.  Here's the header:

From: Allen Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dictionary search error
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:00:43 -0700
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage
NNTP-Posting-Host: user-vcaums4.dsl.mindspring.com 216.175.91.132
Path: tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp04!allenw
Lines: 1         
Xref: tkmsftngp01 microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage:7937

Does this tell you anything?  I'm not very literate where headers are
concerned.  But something else just occurred to me.  Allen's return address
is @mvps.org and, IIRC, that's a Linux server.  As Paul suggested, maybe
that's the reason?

Beth


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