On 5/14/04 6:01 PM, "Entourage:mac Talk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 5/14/04 7:02 AM, John C. Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It doesn't work that way, not in the current laws of physics. The more
>> complex you make something, the more complex it is to use.

> Yes, as you have done with this thread. No I get it, you are one of those
> guys that likes the computer industry to maintain a certain amount of
> complexity in their products so you can maintain your job security and
> remind yourself how smart you are each day.

Nonsense. In fact, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you
add features to make rules more complex, then THEY BECOME MORE COMPLEX TO
USE. I'd rather NOT see that because I DESPISE having to take time from the
real work I'm doing to walk someone through point and click stuff. Sheesh.

> 
> Trust me John, adding the features that I have requested will make Entourage
> a better and more powerful product. I personally know tons of people that
> are using Entourage and are comfortable creating their own rules. Heck, my
> mother can even do it. When it comes to writing AppleScripts on the other
> hand, it's a big step for most people. I would bet that less that 5% of Mac
> users have ever even tried to write an AppleScript. I would bet that less
> than 2% of all Entourage users have ever even written their own
> AppleScripts.

But if you start adding features on to rules THEY WILL BE MORE COMPLEX TO
USE. That means, "harder to use" if "complex" isn't clear enough. That means
that people stop using them as much. Oy vey.


>> But there's no way to make rules into something that parallels FileMaker
>> Pro's scripting language without it becoming as complex and hard to learn as
>> a scripting language, which is, I believe, something your cramped brain has
>> no time to learn.

> There is no way??? It is unfortunate that you do not have the creativity to
> see beyond your own programming capabilities. I am surprised that you are
> even using a Mac, you sound like a PC guy.

Oh please, get off your soapbox. You're asking for rules with the same
capabilities as AppleScript, but no more complex to use than they are right
now. Why not ask for a telepathic interface, and have it transmit email via
tachyons. Every feature means more complexity. A semitruck can do a LOT more
than a Honda, but it's a LOT harder to drive.

> 
> John, I know that you are not stupid, so if you are willing to stop the
> personal attacks and concentrate on contributing with helpful feedback then
> I will do the same.

Nice...start ad hominem attacks, then agree to stop. However, I haven't
personally attacked you, nor have I called you a "jerk" or a "troll", or
told you that "you think clearer when the medication kicks in." Those are
all things you have said to me however. So I have nothing to stop.

I've been far more patient than I normally would be with someone of your
attitude, mostly out of respect for this list and its members. I've also
tried, along with some other folks, to point out that the reason for the
simplicity of the Rules is because they are, well, *simple*. As in *not
complex*. I really don't know of any other way to say it. I really do
understand that you want something simpler than applescript, but more
complex than rules, but you seem to want everything (all the power of
applescript) and nothing (the wonderful simplicity of rules) for the same
price, and, that's just impossible. Now, as I said before, if you wish to
continue to call me names, my email address is available, and I'll happily
play. 

john

-- 
"Carnation milk is best of all,
No tits to pull, no shit to haul,
No buckets to wash, no hay to pitch,
Just poke a hole in the son-of-a-bitch!"

Non - Winning entry in contest for slogan for Carnation Canned Milk, circa
1940s


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