On 1/17/05 10:00 PM, "Entourage:mac Talk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I receive up to 100 "legitimate" non-mailing-list messages each day, many of >> them from people with whom I've never previously corresponded who happen to >> be asking for help or a response. > > For you, a TMDA-type system without a statistical pre-filter is probably a > bad choice. Most people do not have your email usage pattern. Most users can't even tell you what a statistical pre-filter IS, much less when to use it. As well, what is his email usage pattern? He gets a lot of email, and responds to it. The only odd thing MAY be volume, but I know folks who are not doing what Dan does, and get a lot of email. > >> If every time I replied to one of these >> individuals I had to respond to a "challenge" message, not only would it be >> a chore but it would take a significant chunk of otherwise productive time >> out of my day. > > If the sender's system is done right, your email address is already on their > "white list", because they sent you a message. That's how SpamSlam works, > anyway -- anybody I send mail to is registerd on the white list, so that I > never inconvenience anybody with whom I initiate correspondence. This is > common sense. You send mail to the mailing list. *that* address is filtered. When you get a mail FROM the mailing list, it comes FROM the human TO the list. There may be thousands of people on a list, how exactly do you fill your whitelist with their addresses when you don't have access to them until they send a message to the list. What about people who know you through someone else, and on their recommendation send you email. Now, they have to prove to someone they don't know that they're real, potentially giving a spammer 100% confirmation that their email address is real. > >> As John pointed out, such systems make others responsible for your spam >> problem. I've been careful about where I use my "real" email addresses, I've >> got good server-side spam filters set up, and I've taken other anti-spam >> precautions. > > You're fortunate to have control of your email server. Most people don't. > In my own experience, you can be "careful" with your email address, but one > slip or an instance of somebody forwarding a message of yours to an archived > list, or anything like that, and you're hosed. This happened to my work > email, which I can't easily change. That has little to do with forcing the rest of the world to handle your spam for you. > > Anyway, I've received no complaints from people who have received a > challenge message (I took the time to re-write the default message to be > non-confrontational and apologetic), and the system catches about 120 spams > a day with zero false negatives and only a few false positives as described > before. That's because probably 30% of everyone who got it trashed it and just never bothered to respond. My trash rate on those approaches 100%. Unless I get to forward all my spam to the TDMA users so they can handle all *my* spam, I'm not going to handle theirs for them. That seems fair. > > Anyway, the original question was "does anything work". Answer, yes, the > system I'm using works well, is easy to maintain, and does not place undue > burden on others. There are systems that work just as well and place no burden whatsoever on others. -- "You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon." - 10th most commonly uttered Klingon programmer phrase -- To unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> old-archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/>
