Yep,

I got you.  That's by the main parking loop.  Next time I'm up there I'll look
for them.

Dale



>
> Dale,
>
> They were on the edge of the tornado swath and along the roads. I recall
> some where we parked to go see measure the huge hemlock.
>
> Will F. Blozan
> President, Eastern Native Tree Society
> President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:07 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [ENTS] Re: Ft. Machault & Hoge Island-Allegheny River
>
>
> Ahh,
>
> Tionesta, I forgot about those.  I can't see them in my head though... can
> you
> describe their rough location?  Maybe that'll get the memory juices flowing.
>
> Dale
>
>
>
> > Dale,
> >
> >
> >
> > Cool stuff! I like the appearance of tree-of-heaven but not the
> > circumstances of their presence. Remember the fire cherries at Tionesta we
> > saw with Jess? They were a good bit larger.
> >
> >
> >
> > Will F. Blozan
> >
> > President, Eastern Native Tree Society
> >
> > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc.
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Dale Luthringer
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:04 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [ENTS] Ft. Machault & Hoge Island-Allegheny River
> >
> >
> >
> > ENTS,
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/5/08 I had a trip to Franklin, PA to research a canoe purchase for
> the
> > park.  After I was finished, I took some time to scout the old Ft.Machault
> > site and Hoge Island.  Ft. Machault was one of the original French forts
> > built on the Allegheny River drainage during the French & Indian War:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.brigniagara.org/Warforempire.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > "In the spring of 1753, French forces departed Montreal to establish a
> chain
> > of forts in the Ohio country. Originally ordered to go to the Chautauqua
> > area, they received new orders changing their destination to Presqu'ile
> > (modern day Erie, PA). The French force arrived at Presqu'ile on May 3,
> > 1753. They began work preparing the site for the fort on a bluff
> overlooking
> > the peninsula and Lake Erie, near Mill Creek. The French proceeded to
> build
> > another fort at la riviere au le Boeufs (present day Waterford, PA). From
> > this spot the French could transport their supplies by la riviere au
> Boeufs
> > (also known as French Creek) to Fort Machault (Venango) and the Ohio River
> > where they would build Fort Duquesne (present day Pittsburgh)."
> >
> >
> >
> > "1754
> > -The French reinforce their forces in the Ohio via lakes Ontario and Erie
> > and build Fort Machault (present day Franklin, PA) and Fort Duquesne
> > (Pittsburgh).
> > -Washington Surrenders Fort Necessity."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no visible structure of Ft. Machault today.  If one can read the
> > lay of the land, and has some knowledge on how these forts were set up,
> one
> > kind find the site with its associated terrain.  I believe it was located
> on
> > French Creek, just upstream from the confluence of the Allegheny River.
> The
> > entire site is now a "community park".
> >
> >
> >
> > Just up-river from the confluence of French Creek and the Allegheny River
> is
> > Hoge Island.  I wasn't able to get on the island, but was able to observe
> > some of its tree species. mainly silver maple.  Small stature silver maple
> > was located on the lower terrace, with larger silver maple dominating the
> > upper terrace.  From a distance, it looked like the silver maple on the
> > upper terrace would not have significant heights.  Other species visible
> on
> > the island include sycamore and black willow with Japanese knotweed on the
> > river edge.
> >
> >
> >
> > The old Ft. Machault site was a nice walk, but invasive species were
> > evident: Japanese knotweed, privet, tree of heaven.  It was nice to
> measure
> > two new species for our Allegheny River drainage tally: boxelder, fire
> > cherry.  Tree of heaven played games with me in terms of its ID.  I never
> > saw them this big before (medium tree sized).  The sumaras were quite
> > distinctive.  I wanted to call them black walnut something fierce, but
> there
> > were no nuts, and they certainly didn't have the bark:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=7
> >
> >
> >
> > Thankfully, I haven't seen these yet at Cook Forest.  I didn't measure
> any,
> > since they were heavily guarded by poison ivy on the ground and crawling
> up
> > their trunks, but they were decent in size, say ~14" DBH x ~60ft high.
> Next
> > time I'm in the area I'll try to be a little more persistent and see if I
> > can get a decent height for one of these.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also thought I'd add a fire cherry to our PA list at 0.9ft CBH x 24.3ft
> > high.  Looks like a new state champ. first one on the list though.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the day's tally:
> >
> >
> >
> > Species                        CBH                 Height   Comments
> >
> >
> >
> > Boxelder                       4.7                    20.2
> >
> > Butternut                       8.8(3ft up)         72.1+
> >
> > Fire cherry                     .9                     24.3      41
> 23.391N
> > x 79 49.249W
> >
> > Honey locust                 10.4                  73
> >
> > Silver maple                  N/A                   87.1+
> >
> > Silver maple                  ~20(2x)             91.1
> >
> > Sycamore                     N/A                   90.9
> >
> > Sycamore                     N/A                   98.8
> >
> > Tree of heaven              ~3.1                  ~60
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>




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