James, Talk them into going to Key West. There is a Champion Tree's of Key West tour http://prometheus.cc.emory.edu/kwbs/champion.html online. They are mostly weird tropical trees that nobody else in ENTS has measured. You could come up with 8 trees on the champion tour, and there is a Tamarind Trail Tour of a garden http://prometheus.cc.emory.edu/kwbs/tamarind.html and a Debiens Pond tour with more unusual tress. And Hey it is Key West... in the Florida Keys.
Ed "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both. " Robert Frost (1874-1963). Mountain Interval. 1920. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Parton To: ENTSTrees Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [ENTS] Re: Big Basin Redwoods State Park, CA Ed & Will, You guys make me jealous! Joy I and the Tench family are planning a trip to the beach this next year. Probably St. George Island Florida. I had rather go see those big trees and walk among them, but with Joy and Clay, the beach rules. JP On Nov 16, 12:43 pm, "Edward Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will, > > Excellent account of your trip and adventures in Big Basin Redwoods State Park. My first encounter with really big trees was a couple years ago in my 2005 western trip. I did not make it that far south and have yet to see the redwoods. I had seen some descent sized trees in North Cascades NP, but nothing really spectacular. I ran into Seattle to get my tracker fixed, and then headed to Mt. Rainier NP. I camped at a forest service campground outside the park called "the Dalles." I wrote a brief note about the encounter at the time. > > "I arrived at the Dalles campsite about 5:30. There were numerous campsite still available. I picked out one set amongst a grove of tall trees. I was curious as to how tall they were and got out my laser rangefinder. The trees were measuring out to be over 200 feet tall. I wasn't sure my instrument was measuring correctly, because to tell the truth they did not look that tall to me. The Longfellow Pine at Cook Forest, PA measures 181 feet tall and looked bigger in my minds eye. There are three predominant species of trees in the area: Douglas Fir, Western Hemlock, and Red Cedar. The fir and hemlock were the largest. There was a family in the next campsite setting up their tents, including a number of teenage boys. I ask if they could help me lay out a measurement line to check my instrument. The rangefinder I was reading correctly, trees around the campsite were over 200 feet tall. I showed them how to use the instruments and we measured several trees in and adjacent to their campsite. > > One person driving down the campsite road said there was a really big one down this way. So I walked down. There was a massive Douglas Fir at the beginning of a short 0.8 mile nature trail. The sign said the tree was estimated to be 700 years old, was 235 feet tall, and 9' 6" in diameter. Naturally I had to check the measurements. The best height I could get from the campsite road area was only around 218 feet, but I knew I was not hitting the top. A short distance down the trail I managed to find a spot where I could see the top of the tree. Correcting for the elevation difference between that point and the base of the tree I con firmed a height for the tree of 242.1 feet. That is probably accurate to within a foot. I measured the circumference breast height of the tree to be 31' 11", that converts to a diameter (assuming a round trunk) of 10.16 feet. I was surprised the tree was actually bigger than listed on the sign. Perhaps it had grown taller since the last measurement. The difference in diameter could easily be which particular bumps on the trunk the taped passed across. > > I did not find any bigger trees in the area, although down the trail were several with similar diameters. Within the campground area itself were at least a dozen trees over 200 feet tall. So for the day I did get some first impression of Mount Rainier, and see the biggest tree I have yet seen in my life. I'll take some pictures of the big tree and the sign in the morning when there is more light. Not bad for a day devoted to maintenance." > > Kalaloch Cedar > > The next few days found me visiting Mt. Rainier and Olympic National Parks. Some of these are described in Bob Van Pelt's Forest Giants of the pacific Coast. The trees encounters included the Kalaloch Red Cedar in Olympic National Park This was once the National Champion western red cedar at 19.6 ft diameter, and 123 feet tall. Interestingly I had a photo of the tree on my laptop at one of the Forest Summit meetings. I was sitting at Monica;s kitchen table one morning and Jess Riddle immediately recognized the tree, shot from the back side based just upon photos he has seen of it. Another named tree was the Queets Sitka Spruce at 14, 9 ft diameter, and 245 feet tall. In the Hoh Rain Forest itself were Douglas firs in the 280 range. What struck me was how you had to change your perspective on estimating heights when visiting these extremely tall trees. As for the canopy species diversity, Bob Van Pelt commented in a post dated October 29, 2002, "The low diversity of trees in some Western forests quickly reduces the Index to below 200. Humboldt Redwoods SP, for example, has the world's tallest tree, and 86 trees over 350'. Due to the overwhelming dominance by redwood, the Index drops below 200 after only six species are included!" That was one of the reasons I was arguing for compiling the RI5 for a minimal species comparison for various sites, to deal fairly with sites with a low canopy species diversity. > > Sounds like it was a great trip. I hope it gets you psyched for more eastern tree research as well. The first encounter with these giant trees is really something hard to describe. > > Ed Frank > > "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both. " > Robert Frost (1874-1963). Mountain Interval. 1920. > > aug20-002a.jpg > 90KViewDownload > > aug20-010a.jpg > 109KViewDownload > > aug21-020a.jpg > 99KViewDownload --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org You are subscribed to the Google Groups "ENTSTrees" group. 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