Thanks for the control info, Jenny.  Ed, the BBG database, called the
Metropolitan Flora Project, states definitively that Aralia spinosa is not
native to NYC and that the invasive non-native aralia has thoroughly
naturalized.  I checked with them before recommending removal in our local
park.
--  
    Carolyn Summers
    63 Ferndale Drive
    Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
    914-478-5712



> From: JennyNYC <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:46:24 -0700 (PDT)
> To: ENTSTrees <[email protected]>
> Subject: [ENTS] Re: Devil's Walking Stick - Arilia spinosa
> 
> 
> Ed,
> 
> This is interesting and I'm sorry to say I don't know the answers to
> these questions. But there must be data available for this. They've
> been at it for  quite a few years, so the ones I've been pulling
> lately are no more than 8-10 ft. and skinny. I'm curious though. And
> now I feel bad for being so barbaric. I'll investigate.
> 
> Here are my pix from a month or so ago.
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/Devil?authkey=Gv1sRgCIXOu47xtJWJbw&fe
> at=directlink
> 
> Jenny
> 
> On Mar 19, 10:46 am, "Edward Frank" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Jenny,
>> 
>> As uncomfortable as grabbing it may be for the hiker, Arilia spinosa is a
>> native tree across much of eastern United States.  It isn't clear if it
>> actually is native to NYC, or if that is just beyond its native range.  It
>> was used in Victorian gardens as an ornamental, and the aromatic roots and
>> fruit were used by settlers as home remedies...mainly for toothache.  I am
>> curious how large of trees they are removing?  It certainly is not a highly
>> thought of tree in any case.  The tallest specimen in our database is 36
>> feet, and the fattest is 53.4 inches GBH.  That is a pretty fat one, but I am
>> sure there are many taller examples out there, we just don't measure that
>> many of them.  The oldest one we have found was one Jess Riddle noted cut
>> along a trail at just 32 years old.  Some of these pioneer species seem to
>> just die before growing very old.  I would be interested in ring counts from
>> any larger or old specimens removed as part of the project.  I personally am
>> curious about many of these unwanted and oft overlooked species.  
>> 
>> Ed
>> .
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "JennyNYC" <[email protected]>
>> To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:17 AM
>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: Hemlocks - HWA?
>> 
>> The DEVIL is Aralia spinosa - Devil's Walking Stick. I joke a lot that
>> we are removing the Devil and the Tree of Heaven (Ailanthus) from the
>> Forest. Nobody really laughs though...I can't figure out if they don't
>> get it or the joke is just getting really really old or it just wasn't
>> that funny in the first place!
> > 



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