Ed, I forgot to throw silver buffaloberry, or sherperdia, in the middle of the natives. Anyway, the non-native berries are often preferred by birds and habitat is too fragmented by agriculture and urban sprawl, so natives aren't getting much of a chance to spread due to climate change around here. Anyway, the list wasn't a succession order by a perceived order of aggressiveness of shrubs in recolonizing disturbed areas. I'm sure that shade-tolerance comes into play with the species in my list. Some can take a foothold quicker at edges and small forest openings and then spread from there while others are limited to full sun sites, which aren't as plentiful. Paul ---- Edward Frank <[email protected]> wrote: ============= Paul, Yes I am familiar with elderberry. I am sure I am seeing sumac. The examples I am thinking about may not be the initial stage of the pioneering succession, so perhaps other species were there first. The sumac was there however before other major tree species have taken hold and before the sol washed much out of the root mass. I am not sure of the particular succession order around here. I will check it out more this summer as I wander the Penn's woods. Birds are a fast mechanism for spreading seeds. So do you think these pioneering species are increasing their range as a result of warming, and do you think this is taking place faster than with other species? Ed
============= Ed, Are you sure that you are seeing sumac on recent tip-up mounds in small openings in the forest? Around here, sambucus or elderberry are the ones that show up there the quickest and have compound leaves that appear similar to sumac if you haven't made the distinction in the past. Elderberry is rapidly spread by bird droppings, but sumac seems very slow to be introduced into openings where I live. The order of shrub colonization intensity in new openings around here is roughly: common buckthorn glossy buckthorn various Eurasian honeysuckles American elderberry gray and red-osier dogwoods sumacs prickly-ash I think that this is driven by the seed/berry preference order by birds, too, primarily bohemian and cedar waxwings. Paul J. ---- Edward Frank <[email protected]> wrote: ============= ENTS, I have been thinking about various pioneer species and global warming. If you are out in the woods and find a freshly upturned root mass, and an opening, often there will be a sumac growing on it. There isn't any sumacs obviously growing anywhere in the area. The seeds for these pioneer species, like sumac and aralia spinosa, must be able to reach a long distance (or what?) in order to colonize these disturbed areas. Considering that, and the amount of man made disturbance of the soil, I am thinking that these species may be the ones that can expand their range faster in response to global warming than most other species and could migrate northward faster than most other species. Another factor is the typical lifespan of a species. The northward limit of a species can be considered the point at which the climate is too cold for the species. Many could probably live farther north than they do presently most years, except that periodically there is a real cold snap that can kill them off. So a species that lives a long time would have a greater chance of experiencing one of these killer cold snaps in its lifetime than a shorter lived species. Many of these pioneer species have a short lifespan - most seem to die out before they reach 30. So if the killer cold snap occurred every 100 years, there would be several generations of trees between cold snaps. these species could therefore migrate farther into the cold territory than longer lived species - assuming comparable amounts of northward expansion per generation. If the pioneer species expand faster per generation, they could expand their range even further. One of the concerns of the climate change is that the climate may be warming even faster than the trees can migrate northward. Perhaps this will favor the shorter lived species as the warming occurs, and perhaps it will favor the short lived, pioneer species like sumac and devils walking stick even ore than other species. This is just an idea I had on the subject. Anybody else have ideas or opinions on this subject? Ed Frank --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
