Steven,
Jess Riddle and I looked at a tree in Alabama that we though to be a "chink-nut" hybrid but have no way to be sure. It more likely may have had some Ozark chinquapin in it and American chestnut. But it appears the taxonomy is still being debated so, who knows. http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/alabama/red_mountain/red_mountai n.htm Will F. Blozan President, Eastern Native Tree Society President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Springer Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:29 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [ENTS] Re: mystery tree ID please Will, Thanks for this clarification of these trees; have you ever noticed hybridization between these two species? Steve Springer _____ From: [email protected] on behalf of Will Blozan Sent: Mon 9/7/2009 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENTS] Re: mystery tree ID please ED, Barry, I went to one of my client's properties a few minutes ago to get some samples. She has around an ~8 inch American and ~3 inch chinquapin. The chinquapin was releasing fruit. Here are some comparative shots. This discussion is important so we ENTS get ID's correct. If Barry's tree was a chinquapin it would likely be a champion! Certainly the largest by far I have ever seen. <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg> Branch of chinquapin <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image002.jpg> Fruit of chinquapin <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image003.jpg> American (bottom) and chinquapin (top) side-by-side, top side <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image004.jpg> American (bottom) and chinquapin (top) side-by-side, bottom side. Note American glabrous. <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image005.jpg> Individual leaves side-by-side; American left, top side <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image006.jpg> Individual leaves side-by-side; American left, bottom side <https://mail.cityofbartlett.org/exchange/sspringer/Drafts/RE:%20%5bENTS%5d% 20Re:%20mystery%20tree%20ID%20please.EML/1_multipart/image007.jpg> Twigs side-by-side; American on left I hope this helps. Notice in all shots the American chestnut is consistently glabrous or essentially so; the chinquapin is very hairy. The underside of the chinquapin leaf is densely hairy. Will F. Blozan President, Eastern Native Tree Society President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward Frank Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENTS] Re: mystery tree ID please Will, Barry, It is interesting that the two people from the south think this is American Chestnut while Steve, Beth and I think it is Allegheny chinkapin. Are there regional variations? I am not insisting I am right based upon a video clip, but it doesn't really look like American Chestnut to me. I have small bushes in my back yard, areas I have visited in Allegheny National Forest have hundreds to thousands of A, Chestnut trees, many in the thirty to foirty foot range. I have visited, measured, and photographed many of the largest Am, Chestnuts in this region - ones being pollinated and seeds collected by the American Chestnut Foundation, so I am very familiar with the species. However, I am less familiar with chinkapin. I know their leaves are smaller in general and perhaps not as pointy - this specimen has very pointy leaves. Certainly I have never seen bark like that on a chestnut. Perhaps some leaves could be collected or nuts collected and sent to the American Chestnut Foundation for their opinion?. Chinkapin is also subject to chestnut blight but generally not as severely as American Chestnut. Ed "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science." - Albert Einstein ----- Original Message ----- From: Will <mailto:[email protected]> Blozan To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: [ENTS] Re: mystery tree ID please Barry, Without a doubt, American chestnut. Too bad the blight destroyed it. For those thinking it is chinquapin, I'll try to get some comparison photos. They hardly look similar at all; at least the C. pumila we have here in the southern Apps. Will F. Blozan President, Eastern Native Tree Society President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barry Caselli Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:13 AM To: ENTS Subject: [ENTS] mystery tree ID please ENTS, Hope everyone is enjoying your weekend. I was hiking yesterday and found this tree. I shot a video, just a minute or two in length. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlZfpHpmvjA Thanks, Barry</table <BR --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
