Lee,

Fat black oak shade leaves with almost no lobes or indendations are
common in the south, too.

I think the most useful characters for identifying black oak leaves in
the summer are its dark, glossy upper side and the velutinous (fuzzy)
underside - hence Quercus velutina.

Regarding the photo titled black oak by Tim, I think it could be a
black oak.  The balded strip in the midst of the deeper furrows lead
me to think that.  A shot of the bark higher up the trunk would be
needed to make a certain determination because the deeply furrowed
lower bark does give the impression of chestnut oak.

Josh

On Nov 11, 8:58 am, Lee Frelich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bob:
>
> I think the one on the upper right is scarlet oak. The pattern with
> which side veins intersect the main vein is like scarlet oak.  Its
> probably from a shaded portion of the canopy whereas the others are from
> the top of the canopy.
>
> You didn't show any of those black oaks with the fat leaves with minimal
> indentation that I saw when I was there in early October. I have not
> seen those in the Midwest- must be a New England thing.
>
> Lee
>

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