Yeah, I'm really happy he found this site too. As soon as I saw those tulips in his first post I knew he had something significant, because the other hilly sites I've been to in Ohio with 140'+ tulips were all significantly younger looking trees.
On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:36 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Steve, > > Wild! Sand Run is a very significant site. I am very impressed. > Some of us have long thought that Ohio should have some darn good > sites. You have proven it. Congratulations. > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Galehouse" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:34:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Sand Run revisited > > > > Randy, ENTS- > > I returned to Sand Run this weekend and remeasured the beech--the > best I could get was 132', but I think this figure is accurate. I > explored up the ravine where the beech was found(actually hiked a > ridge and came down through the narrow valley) and found some more > fantastic tulip-trees, the largest was about 200-300 yards up the > ravine from the beech. This tree was 14' 6'' CBH. I got a nearly > straight up measurement of 52 yards at 85 degrees for 155.4', plus > 4' for my eye level measured above grade for 159.4' (!). A nearly > 160' height for a Tulip in N Ohio is pretty good, I think. Also > found a 134.5' Red Oak. > > There is also grove of Tulip-trees at the base of the hills that has > many trees in the 8'-10' CBH and 140'-150' range. All the trees in > the summary below were found within about a half-mile of each other, > and there are many more areas of the park to explore, so I hope to > increase the R.I. with more searching. Species present but not > measured yet are Hemlock, Basswood, Cucumber-tree, Tupelo, Sugar, > Black, and Red Maples and Hackberry, plus others I'm sure. This area > is very accessible, on the north end of Akron 30 minutes from the > Ohio Turnpike; I would encourage any ENTS types traveling across > Ohio consider a visit. > > Tuliptree 159.4 14' 6'' 41' 08.030 81' > 33.697 > Red Oak 134.5 41' 08.139 81' > 33.647 > American Beech 132 41' 08.177 81' 33.914 > Walnut 125 > Black Cherry 125 > Cottonwood 124 > Bitternut Hickory 123.7 > White Ash 123 > Sycamore 121.95 > Slippery Elm 121 > > R I 128.95 > > Black Oak 117.6 > White Oak 103 > Butternut 95 > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Randy Brown <[email protected] > > wrote: > All, > > I've gone back through my notes on this beech tree. We shot the tree > from the point of the view in the picture. The lower site line was > 2˚ > @ 76.5 yards = 8.01'. Normally you add the lower site line because > the base of the tree is almost always below your eye point when > shooting on 'level ground'. However, as you can see in the picture of > the tree, the base is actually uphill from the shooter. The > foreshortening of the zoom lense of the camera makes this more > noticeable than it was in person. I think there is a reasonable > chance we should be subtracting 8' instead of adding, giving one > 127.6'. I think we need to withdraw this number until this tree can > be remeasured. > > Sorry Guys, > > On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Jess Riddle wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > Beech rarely dominant sites in the southeast, except at high > > elevations. It does occur scattered at multiple sites with 170' > > tuliptrees, but still struggles to reach 120'. I've never been to a > > tall tree site where beech was the second tallest species. > > > > It would be great to see some black maple numbers from a fertile > site. > > > > Jess > > > > > > > > On 11/15/09, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> > >> Date: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM > >> Subject: Re: [ENTS] Sand Run revisited > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> Jess, ENTS- > >> > >> I didn't realize the beech was that exceptional---its height must > >> be due to > >> its location in the valley and competition with the tuliptrees; I > >> think > >> Randy measured the circumference also. I'm no sure how frequent a > >> tuliptree/beech association is in the south, but tulips are by far > >> the > >> predominant tree in this area, followed by beech. The latitude is N > >> 41' 08. > >> The aspect of the site was that of a relatively young forest in > >> vigorous > >> growth, with most trees having tall, straight, clean boles(see red > >> oak > >> photo), with hardly any gnarl factor, other than the 157' tulip in > >> the > >> earlier photo. The soils and topography must greatly influence the > >> growth > >> potential. > >> > >> Other measured trees were a bitternut hickory at 123.7', red oak at > >> 124.7', > >> slippery elm at 121', white ash at 123', and sycamore at 121.95'. > >> As I > >> mentioned earlier, sugar/black maples were relatively scarce, but > >> in the > >> 120' range. The canopy height in a general sense was 120-130'. > >> Most of the > >> mature tulips were 130-140'. Other nice trees were black and white > >> oaks, and > >> basswood, which I plan to measure later this year, as well as > >> hemlock which > >> are in a different area of the park. > >> > >> > >> Attached are a Rucker height index, which will likely increase with > >> different species, and a few more photos. > >> > >> > >> Tuliptree 158.1 8'4'' N 41' 08.030 W > >> 81' 33.697 > >> Bitternut Hickory 123.7 > >> Red Oak 124.7 N 41' 07.986 W 81' > >> 33.728 > >> Slippery Elm 121 > >> American Beech 143.6 > >> White Ash 123 > >> Sycamore 121.95 > >> Walnut 106 > >> Butternut 95 > >> Cottonwood 124 > >> > >> R.I. 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