Well, shit Randy, l'll jist be makin' them Tulips even taller in 28 years--pushin' up from the ground below!
Steeb On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Randy Brown <[email protected]>wrote: > I'll send you a letter in 28 years and tell you how it turned out ;) > > Anyway nice find on the Red Oak. In the Hocking Hills I found one over 130 > foot and figured there had to be a taller one than the closest plausible > looking specimen I stumbled over. Also, the 13' 8.6' cbh Tulip tree was an > interesting looking tree. It was sitting in a shallow rill above the ravine > with the tall trees. It was odd looking because the crown still had the > tight clean branch form of a young tree, a little balding bark at the base > and yet was really big. > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Steve Galehouse wrote: > > Randy, ENTS- > > Yes, the Tulip I measured to 159.4' had a dead patch on the down-slope side > is definitely the one you measured to 162.6'--you have the mountain-goat > ability as someone 28 years younger to explore the possibilities from a > better vantage point! I'm sure it's the same tree. The Bitternut is really > nice also. I'll re-figure the R. I. with your measurements. This makes the > area even more impressive and exceptional; I always thought the trees where > I grew up were tall, but I never knew for sure until ENTS. > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Randy Brown > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Here are the numbers I got from the trip. After we split up I went back >> and went up the same ravine and measured some more trees ('Steep Ravine' in >> the chart below: >> >> Sand Run Akron (11/14/09) >> >> >> >> >> cbh >> >> >> Entry Cove >> >> >> >> Tuliptree >> ? >> >> 153.3' >> Tuliptree >> ? >> >> 145.1' >> Slippery Elm >> ? >> >> 121.2' >> Sand Run Slope >> >> >> >> Sycamore >> 7' >> 10” >> 122.0' >> Black Walnut >> ? >> >> 106.7' >> Green/White Ash >> 11' >> 1.0” >> 131.8' >> Basswood >> 7' >> 5.5” >> 116.8' >> Tuliptree >> 9' >> 9.0” >> 142.7' >> Cottonwood >> 7' >> 5.0” >> 125.4' >> Steep Ravine: >> >> >> >> Beech >> 7' >> 5.0” >> 132.0' >> Tuliptree >> ? >> >> 151.9' >> Tuliptree >> 14' >> 8.5” >> 162.6' >> Bitternut Hickory >> 5' >> 11.0” >> 141.8' >> Tuliptree >> ? >> >> 147.8' >> Uphill Slopes >> >> >> >> Tuliptree >> 13' >> 8.5" >> ~133' >> Red Oak >> 9' >> 8.5" >> 129.3' >> >> I measured the 162' tulip from the ridge top (It's the one with the big >> dead patch in the base). I believe it's the same one you measured to 159'. >> The 151' tulip tree and the 141' Bitternut hickory were growing right >> beside each other. >> >> As an asside the tallest beaches I've found in Ohio are at Old Mans >> Cave/hocking hills growing on opposite sides of the same cove. 8' 2" x >> 135.8" & 7' 7.5" x 130.1' >> (I measured both these trees on two separate occasions so they better be >> correct) >> >> >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Steve Galehouse wrote: >> >> >> >> Randy, ENTS- >> >> I returned to Sand Run this weekend and remeasured the beech--the best I >> could get was 132', but I think this figure is accurate. I explored up the >> ravine where the beech was found(actually hiked a ridge and came down >> through the narrow valley) and found some more fantastic tulip-trees, the >> largest was about 200-300 yards up the ravine from the beech. This tree was >> 14' 6'' CBH. I got a nearly straight up measurement of 52 yards at 85 >> degrees for 155.4', plus 4' for my eye level measured above grade for 159.4' >> (!). A nearly 160' height for a Tulip in N Ohio is pretty good, I think. >> Also found a 134.5' Red Oak. >> >> There is also grove of Tulip-trees at the base of the hills that has many >> trees in the 8'-10' CBH and 140'-150' range. All the trees in the summary >> below were found within about a half-mile of each other, and there are many >> more areas of the park to explore, so I hope to increase the R.I. with more >> searching. Species present but not measured yet are Hemlock, Basswood, >> Cucumber-tree, Tupelo, Sugar, Black, and Red Maples and Hackberry, plus >> others I'm sure. This area is very accessible, on the north end of Akron 30 >> minutes from the Ohio Turnpike; I would encourage any ENTS types traveling >> across Ohio consider a visit. >> >> Tuliptree 159.4 14' 6'' 41' 08.030 81' >> 33.697 >> Red Oak 134.5 41' 08.139 81' 33.647 >> American Beech 132 41' 08.177 81' 33.914 >> Walnut 125 >> Black Cherry 125 >> Cottonwood 124 >> Bitternut Hickory 123.7 >> White Ash 123 >> Sycamore 121.95 >> Slippery Elm 121 >> >> R I 128.95 >> >> Black Oak 117.6 >> White Oak 103 >> Butternut 95 >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Randy Brown <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> I've gone back through my notes on this beech tree. We shot the tree >>> from the point of the view in the picture. The lower site line was 2˚ >>> @ 76.5 yards = 8.01'. Normally you add the lower site line because >>> the base of the tree is almost always below your eye point when >>> shooting on 'level ground'. However, as you can see in the picture of >>> the tree, the base is actually uphill from the shooter. The >>> foreshortening of the zoom lense of the camera makes this more >>> noticeable than it was in person. I think there is a reasonable >>> chance we should be subtracting 8' instead of adding, giving one >>> 127.6'. I think we need to withdraw this number until this tree can >>> be remeasured. >>> >>> Sorry Guys, >>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Jess Riddle wrote: >>> >>> > Steve, >>> > >>> > Beech rarely dominant sites in the southeast, except at high >>> > elevations. It does occur scattered at multiple sites with 170' >>> > tuliptrees, but still struggles to reach 120'. I've never been to a >>> > tall tree site where beech was the second tallest species. >>> > >>> > It would be great to see some black maple numbers from a fertile site. >>> > >>> > Jess >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 11/15/09, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >> From: Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> >>> >> Date: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM >>> >> Subject: Re: [ENTS] Sand Run revisited >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Jess, ENTS- >>> >> >>> >> I didn't realize the beech was that exceptional---its height must >>> >> be due to >>> >> its location in the valley and competition with the tuliptrees; I >>> >> think >>> >> Randy measured the circumference also. I'm no sure how frequent a >>> >> tuliptree/beech association is in the south, but tulips are by far >>> >> the >>> >> predominant tree in this area, followed by beech. The latitude is N >>> >> 41' 08. >>> >> The aspect of the site was that of a relatively young forest in >>> >> vigorous >>> >> growth, with most trees having tall, straight, clean boles(see red >>> >> oak >>> >> photo), with hardly any gnarl factor, other than the 157' tulip in >>> >> the >>> >> earlier photo. The soils and topography must greatly influence the >>> >> growth >>> >> potential. >>> >> >>> >> Other measured trees were a bitternut hickory at 123.7', red oak at >>> >> 124.7', >>> >> slippery elm at 121', white ash at 123', and sycamore at 121.95'. >>> >> As I >>> >> mentioned earlier, sugar/black maples were relatively scarce, but >>> >> in the >>> >> 120' range. The canopy height in a general sense was 120-130'. >>> >> Most of the >>> >> mature tulips were 130-140'. Other nice trees were black and white >>> >> oaks, and >>> >> basswood, which I plan to measure later this year, as well as >>> >> hemlock which >>> >> are in a different area of the park. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Attached are a Rucker height index, which will likely increase with >>> >> different species, and a few more photos. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Tuliptree 158.1 8'4'' N 41' 08.030 W >>> >> 81' 33.697 >>> >> Bitternut Hickory 123.7 >>> >> Red Oak 124.7 N 41' 07.986 W 81' >>> >> 33.728 >>> >> Slippery Elm 121 >>> >> American Beech 143.6 >>> >> White Ash 123 >>> >> Sycamore 121.95 >>> >> Walnut 106 >>> >> Butternut 95 >>> >> Cottonwood 124 >>> >> >>> >> R.I. Height 124.1 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Steve >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Eastern Native Tree Society >>> >> http://www.nativetreesociety.org >>> >> Send email to [email protected] >>> >> Visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en >>> >> To unsubscribe send email to >>> >> [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org >>> > Send email to [email protected] >>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en >>> > To unsubscribe send email to >>> > [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> >>> >>> -- >>> Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org >>> Send email to [email protected] >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en >>> To unsubscribe send email to >>> [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org >> Send email to [email protected] >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en >> To unsubscribe send email to >> [email protected]<Tulip-tree >> 159.4><Tulip-tree 159.4 B><Tulip-tree 159.4 C><Beech 132' top.jpg><Ravine >> up.jpg><Ravine down.jpg><Red Oak 134.5'><Tulip-tree grove.jpg> >> >> >> >> -- >> Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org >> Send email to [email protected] >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en >> To unsubscribe send email to >> [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> >> > > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] > > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to > [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> > -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected]
