Don: Right on the $$$. I agree wholeheartedly. These valley systems are not autopoietic and so do not have the infrastructure to produce bigg'ums currently.
Gary On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:15 AM, DON BERTOLETTE <[email protected]> wrote: > Ed- > While I'm certainly out of my element, or at least have been for > more than a decade, but I disagree with Bob, it's both a lack of age > AND its history of disturbances...you can't go into an area, clear > it for agriculture, experience an industrial revolution, and logging > over several hundred years and expect to have the resilience the > area had back when it was kicking out some big trees. > It's going to take many more years...and probably the best you can > hope for is to see things set on a trajectory that approaches it's > past glories, rather than to watch it continue to diverge. > ENTS is on the right track doing its best to preserve those core > areas demonstrating enough remaining resilience (one measure could > be the capacity to approach past tree height/circumference/volume > maxima). > -Don > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: more 140's > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:21:59 -0500 > > Ed > > No lack of age. Disturbance history is a different situation. I > don't have an answer yet. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:55 PM, "Edward Frank" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > John, Bob, > > How much of the lack of heights in the Connecticut River Valley is > related to the age of the trees and disturbance history rather than > the terrain? > > Ed > > > Check out my new Blog: http://nature-web-network.blogspot.com/ (and > click on some of the ads) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Eichholz > To: ENTSTrees > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:50 PM > Subject: [ENTS] Re: more 140's > > One could make a sort of contour map, with colors or lines to > delineate the height class observed. It would be neat, and would show > the correlation of terrain and height, as it exists. > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. > Sign up now. > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected]
