Lee and Bob,

Lee you spoke of  the Kandiyohi Elm Forest:

  Lee Frelich, Nov 22, 2009 
  At the Kandiyohi elm forest, for example, last September I found 
  what I call the peach-leaf willow super site.  Its a stand of peach-leaf 
  willows 80-100 feet tall with some single trunks up to 40 inches dbh.  
  Published descriptions of the species say it reaches a maximum height of 
  40 feet. 
  Lee Frelich, Nov 22, 2009, 
  Its easy for that site{Kandiyohi elm forest]: the soils are nutrient-rich 
black silt 
  at least  10 feet deep. The soil has a huge capacity to hold water through 
  droughts that are common at the prairie-forest border. Super sites are 
  always about how evenly water and nutrients are supplied to the tree.  
  The more even an adequate supply (and the fewer episodes of flooding or 
  drought), the better the site. That's why cobblestone sites at the base 
  of slopes with trickling water and types of bedrock that weather into 
  particles with with high nutrient abundance are also super sites.

In this context a Super Site is one for which a particular species grows 
exceptionally large - peach leaf willow.   That is a reasonable idea and I 
can't argue with the logic, but maybe I can suggest a variation of the concept 
of a Super Site.  When I think of a Super Site I think of one in which the tree 
assemblage is pretty much the same as that of the surrounding forest, only the 
trees at that site are bigger for trees of the same age range.  (generally 
old).  The question is whether a Super Site as a concept should refer to site 
with respect to an individual species or should it reflect the relative size of 
general group of species found there in comparison to those in the surrounding 
forests? Maybe either one is appropriate.

I am sure that a thick rich soil will tend to promote growth in most settings, 
with those areas with better soils tending to grow bigger trees than areas with 
poorer soils.  I like the idea you seem to be suggesting in that these sites 
have a characteristics which helps mitigate some environmental factor that  can 
limit growth on other sites.  In this case the thick soil holds water that 
mitigates the drought limitations at the forest-prairie interface.  Perhaps  a 
slightly higher spot in wet areas, say flood plains or hummocks in swamps, may 
promote growth for species that are less water tolerant and  yield taller trees 
relative to in the surrounding wetter areas.

There are examples of disjunct populations of less heat tolerant species 
surviving at higher elevations in areas farther south than the main body of the 
population.  These are certainly taller than the same species in surrounding 
areas - because there aren't any.  The Kandiyohi forest represents an unusual 
assemblage of the dominant tree species because of its soil characteristics.  
It isn't really representative of the general forest types found in the region, 
so it doesn't have exceptionally large examples of trees of the species found 
farther away from the prairie boundary, but is a Super Site for the many of the 
individual species that are found there.  

What are some examples of Super Sites in which there is basically the same 
species assemblage, only the trees are bigger?  And why are they bigger?  You 
gave some examples:  1) rich, thick soils, 2) right balance of water neither 
too much nor too little, and 3) rocks that provide good mineral nutrients to 
the soil.  All of these sound good.  Perhaps we should look at other 
environmental conditions that are somehow limiting growth in a region and see 
if at sites with taller trees, these effects are in some way being mitigated.  
If calcium is a limiting factor in the soil, then trees growing in an area with 
limestone bedrock should grow better there than elsewhere in the region.  If 
wind shear is limiting tree heights, then areas such as coves and smaller 
valleys may have higher trees because the topography provides some protection 
from the wind to these trees.  Certain species combinations in certain 
proportions might yield taller forests than other combinations - and we could 
ask why is this combination growing in this area and not in others.  

The small point I am trying to make is that a Super Site for a species or a 
forest as a whole is not just a matter of what is great about the site, but 
also what is not wrong with it.  What limitations are being mitigated by the 
specific site conditions?  This is sort of a half full or half empty argument, 
but it would allow some one to look at the question from two different 
approaches and perspectives.- what is great about the site, and what problem is 
absent from the site?

Ed



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