Carolyn-
Any vest with the right size pockets (Fishing vests, birders vests, hunters
vests, cruiser vests) will work. For the old forester, only a well-worn Filson
cruisers vest will do though....
-Don
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:22:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
I think maybe that’s the way to go – wear it and make sure it’s attached to me
some how so that I can’t lose it. I’ve been eyeing those birding vests, which
is what I think you’re talking about.
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63 Ferndale Drive
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914-478-5712
From: DON BERTOLETTE <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:31:42 +0000
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Ed/Carolyn-
Foresters over the years gravitated to a cruisers vest (lots of pockets) for
exactly these kinds of devices...check out Forestry Suppliers or Ben Meadows
for a sparkling array...
-Don
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:41:49 -0500
Carolyn,
No, you need to take everything with you - Measurement Gear, Camera, Video,
GPS, Binoculars, reticule, and hang it all from your neck!!!
(Actually I think it is important to not only measure but photograph, and
locate these trees. - so don't leave the camera behind.)
I might suggest one solution. Go to Goodwill and get a big purse with lots of
different closable compartments. The more pockets the better. Then get a fat
strap for it - such as off a laptop case or something similar. It can then be
used to organize and carry your gear in the filed. Generally I wear my Suunto,
rangefinder, and clinometer on straps around my neck and stick the rest in bag
of some sort.
http://nature-web-network.blogspot.com/
http://primalforests.ning.com/
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn Summers <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Bummer. But I’m glad the instrument itself is lightweight. That helps a lot.
I don’t want to have to leave my camera behind.
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Carolyn Summers
63 Ferndale Drive
Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
914-478-5712
From: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:46:23 +0000 (UTC)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Carolyn,
They Forestry 550 is light. I carry mine on my belt. It has a neck strap too.
As a negative, the instrument fits too tightly in its case. I've invented some
new four-letter words to describe the design of the case and the lineage of its
designers.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Summers" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 12:40:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Thanks, Bob, Bart, Ed and Will, for all these leads. I guess I know what to
ask for when my birthday rolls around. Are they heavy, BTW? Does one carry
them on a neck strap like a camera?
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63 Ferndale Drive
Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
914-478-5712
From: Will Blozan <[email protected]>
Organization: Eastern Native Tree Society
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:22:51 -0500
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Carolyn, Bob,
Amazon has them for $275:
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Forestry-550-Hypsometer-Rangefinder/dp/B001J0QJ2S
And Buy.com for $273:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=210913827&listingid=49305260
<http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=210913827&listingid=49305260>
<http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=210913827&listingid=49305260>
<http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=210913827&listingid=49305260>
Will F. Blozan
President, Eastern Native Tree Society
President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc.
"No sympathy for apathy"
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Carolyn Summers
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
It’s ok, fortunately I was already sitting down.
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63 Ferndale Drive
Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
914-478-5712
From: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:12:57 +0000 (UTC)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Carolyn,
It is close to $500.00. Don't faint.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Summers" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Ok, that’s what I need. I’m afraid to ask – but – here goes – what’s the price
tag?
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63 Ferndale Drive
Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
914-478-5712
From: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:19:14 +0000 (UTC)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Carolyn,
The Nikon Forestry 550 does it all. It is also fairly pricey. You select the
height mode, shoot the crown, shoot the base, and read the calculated height
from the LED. No math. No fuss. No bother.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Summers" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:35:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
Are there any tree-height measuring devices that do the math for you? I
never took trig.
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Carolyn Summers
63 Ferndale Drive
Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
914-478-5712
> From: Beth <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:57:09 -0800 (PST)
> To: ENTSTrees <[email protected]>
> Subject: [ENTS] Suunto vs. iPhone
>
> A Small Comparison between Suunto and iPhone Clinometers
>
> Since some of us now have iPhones and have downloaded the
> Clinometer application I thought that someone needs to compare the
> iPhone to the Suunto clinometer. Today I took 14 measurements each
> while sitting on my couch to a ceiling heating/AC vent. I then
> measured my eye height, the ceiling height, and the distance from my
> eyes to the tape measure hanging from the vent as a plumb bob. These
> measurements were: ceiling height = 96², height of the eyes = 38², and
> distance to the vent plum bob = 219². I used the measurements to
> calculate the angle I was trying to measure with the Suunto and
> iPhone. Before taking my measurements I calibrated my iPhone
> clinometer according to the instructions. I also had the following
> settings: Fast approximation-on, Beep on lock-on, wait for lock
> accuracy of + 0.1o- all the way to the left (+ 0.1o), disable auto-
> lock-off, and 3D glass effect-on.
>
> The first thing that I do in order to calculate the angle A was to
> calculate the distance from my eye to the ceiling; 96²-38²= 58².
>
> Since Tan A = a/b, we can rearrange the equation to find A by dividing
> both sides by Tan. Since 1/Tan =Arc Tan the equation is A = (a/b) Arc
> Tan. Filling in this equation with the data we get A = (58/219) Arc
> Tan or A = 14.8336707057. Taking signifiginte numbers in mind I am
> going to say the angle is 14.8o. (Note: I calculated this after
> gathering the data as not to influence the clinometer data)
>
> Now for the clinometer data:
> Suunto iPhone Suunto iPhone
> 15.5 15.2 14.5 15.4
> 15.0 14.9 15.0 15.2
> 15.0 15.1 14.5 15.2
> 15.0 14.1 14.5 15.1
> 15.0 15.0 14.5 15.7
> 15.0 15.2 15.0 15.5
> 14.5 15.1 14.5 15.2
> The means were 14.8 and 15.1 for the Suunto and iPhone respectively
> with standard deviation of 0.31 and 0.35.
>
> The one thing I noticed in my raw data is with the Suunto my highest
> and lowest angles were 15.5 and 14.5 whereas with the iPhone they were
> 15.7 and 14.1. I can think of at least two reasons why. 1) I have
> more experience with the Suunto than I have with the iPhone and 2) the
> Suunto has a line to help repeatly ³hit² the same spot whereas the
> iPhone you are just looking down one side of the phone.
>
> I also noticed after calculating the angle (14.8) the Suunto average
> was closer than the iPhone¹s (14.8 vs. 15.1). Now is 0.3o difference
> significant? Bob has more experience with the Suunto than I do and he
> has stated in the past that can read it to the nearest 1Ž4 o. I myself
> can only read it to the nearest 1Ž2o. Given this I believe that a
> difference of 0.3o is.
>
> How can the iPhone be improved? If one would add a sighting device on
> to the iPhone this could help ³hit² the same spot repeatly. Obviously
> this can not be same one that is used in the Suunto¹s, looking through
> it with an optical illusion. Maybe a tiny gun sighting built into the
> volume and/or ringer buttons on the left side. I think someone
> thought of this earlier. With the sight and practice I believe one
> could the angle down to the nearest tenth of a degree. With the
> Suunto one can only really estimate anything less than 1 degree.
> Beth
>
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