Kirk, It's generally up near the saddle on the top of the hill overlooking the north side of Arroyo. Almost straight back up the hill behind you from the old "bear" foundation. I haven't been there yet. I believe it's on me & Ed's lists of places to visit. Probably would be best to come in from the hilltop on the south side of River Rd across from the Owls Nest. Ed might have a map, but we shouldn't pass it over the list. I'm pretty sure it's ANF land. One of their rangers documented it years ago. Sure would've loved to see your reaction when you peered down onto that sleeping bear... one of the reasons to never forget toilet paper on a hike.
Dale On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Kirk Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Dale, > > Well I already had the camera switched on since I was taking pictures of > the other stuff we were looking at anyway. Serendipity I guess. Still > little blurry though. > > Where is the Indian Rock overhang site? I don't know if I've seen that > before. > > Kirk > > > > *From: *Dale Luthringer <[email protected]> > *Reply-To: *[email protected] > *Date: *Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:31:47 -0500 > *To: *[email protected] > > *Subject: *Re: [ENTS] Clarion River-Portland Mills > > > Kirk, > > Great pic! Glad you still had enough composure to snap a photo! > > I've met John before at some lumber heritage meetings over the years, but > have spent more time with Bob. They're both a wealth of information. > > I've never walked into Arroyo on the north bank of the river upstream from > the Arroyo Bridge. I've canoed & kayaked the raceway beside the island a > number of times. What a blast! > > I've put visiting the indian rock overhang site on the north hilltop on my > list of hikes, but haven't got there yet. > > Dale > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Kirk Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dale, > > Thanks for all of this information, very interesting. I have both of the > books you reference too. John Imhof took me on a tour of that area in the > spring of '03, pointing out many of the features of the old mill foundations > along through the river corridor there. You are right, he is a wealth of > information. (His brother Bob knows a lot about the area too.) > > Mostly we were on the north side of the river. While exploring the old town > of Arroyo, walking through all the foundations, John points at one in > particular and suggests I walk up to the top of it and look down in. So I > did, and right there at the foot of the foundation directly below me was a > sleeping black bear. He immediately woke up and ran away, pausing at the far > edge of the foundation to look back (see attached photo). It was pretty > cool. > > If anyone wants to look for large oak trees, there are a lot of them on > that south-facing slope on the north side of the river between Ridgway and > Arroyo. > > This is also an area of the Allegheny National that Forest Friends of > Allegheny Wilderness is asking Congress to designate as a wilderness area > under the Wilderness Act of 1964. See map here: > > http://www.pawild.org/images/maps/clarion_river.jpg > > To all: letters to Congress in support of this wilderness proposal always > help! (More info here: http://www.pawild.org <http://www.pawild.org/> ) > > > Thanks again, > > Kirk Johnson > > > > > > ENTS, > > On 4/21,30/09 I surveyed the Portland Mills Pennsylvania Fish & Boat > Commission (PAFBC) property on the Clarion River for big trees & historical > attributes. The area is part of a proposed land swap between the PAFBC and > DCNR. The area is loaded with lumber history and a treasure trove to those > who love to walk a site and look into its past. Most signs of human > disturbance goes unnoticed to the untrained eye, but to those who know what > to look for, it's one of the best spots on the Clarion River to hunt for old > mills and tanneries while taking a walk back in time. > > Portland Mills is about 34 miles up-river from Cook Forest. Here's a link > to various sections of the Clarion River Water Trail map: > > http://www.fishandboat.com/watertrails/clarion/clarion-trail.htm > > and another link to download the whole guide (~3megs) > http://www.fishandboat.com/watertrails/clarion/clariontrailguide.pdf > > I've had the pleasure of reading several books on lumber history in the > area. Two have a great deal of information on the Portland Mills section of > the Clarion River. The first is: > > Taber, T. 1974. 'Tanbark, Alcohol, and Lumber: The Forest Industries of > Ridgway, St. Mary's, Hallton, Wilcox, Portland Mills, Straight, > Johnsonburg'. by Thomas T. Taber III. > > This is book #10 within the series 'Logging Railroad Era of Lumbering in > Pennsylvania'. It is a classic to all PA lumber history nuts. > > The second is: > > Imhof, J. 2003. 'Elk County A Journey Through Time: Volume One The > Central Clarion Corridor'. Clarion River Publishing, First Edition, by John > D. Imhoff. > > Both are excellent, but Imhof's book goes into much greater detail. Here > are a few excerpts: > > "*Early History > * > Portland Mills has existed under several different names and in various > sizes and configurations since the earliest days of recorded local history. > Early accounts indicate that the area that now encompasses Portland Mills > was a great gathering point for elk, making it a likely, though unconfirmed > focus for hunting parties of the native tribes that made their homes to the > north and west of this vast wilderness. > > The earliest recorded pioneers of European descent are said to have been a > gentleman known as General Wade and his companion, a man known only as > Slade. Some tradition holds that Slade was a lieutenant under Wade, but the > facts are difficult to determine with a high degree of certainty. > > Wade had come to the lower Little Toby watershed to remove some of the > remaining native population, particularly a group near what would later > become the town of Blue Rock. During this excursion a brief fight was > conducted on the slopes above Little Toby Creek, but the natives were > quickly defeated and relocated. > > Wade was apparently fascinated by the area and returned with his family and > Slade in 1798 to homestead. The group spent about 5 years in the upper Toby > valley before moving to the mouth of the stream near what is now called > Carman. It was during this period that Slade would encounter a young native > girl in the Blue Rock area. Slade would eventually marry the young woman > who is known to local history as the Indian Maid of the Blue Rock. > > Slade and his bride established a trading post somewhere in the > Carmon-Portland Mills area that would exist for many years. The year was > probably 1803, and settlement was officially underway..." > > There were a number of different mills and industries located here: 3 > lumber mills, 3 railroads, a tannery, a matchstick factory, lath mill, > kindling wood plant, hub plant, quarry. Portland Mills was once a lumber > boom town that boasted a population of around 1,000 people, now several > dozen call the town home. Wish you could see the old photos. What a change > from total desolation in the early 1900's to the recovered landscape of > today. > > Eventhough time has wiped away most evidence of past human disturbance, the > trained eye can still see remants of foundations of a number of houses, > lumber mill sites, boom piers in the river, train trestle support, and dam > remnants in the substrate of the river. > > The surrounding forest is still recovering. Sycamore is the most canopy > dominant tree, and turns out to be the tallest documented so far for the > Clarion River. We even found a new staghorn sumac height record for the > state (paltry few in the database though). Tree stats follows: > > *Species CBH Height Comments > * > Am. beech N/A 80.9 > > Am. hornbeam 1.4 36.3 > > black cherry N/A 91.2 > black cherry N/A 97.8 > black cherry 7.6 101.8 > black cherry N/A 106.2 > black cherry 6.1 108.1+ > black cherry 6.2 108.1+ > black cherry 7.8 111.3 > > butternut 4.5 46.2 > > dotted hawthorne 2.1 31.9 > dotted hawthorne 3.7 33.3 > dotted hawthorne 2.3 41.7 > > E. white pine N/A 116.3 > E. white pine N/A 121.1 N side of river > > Juneberry N/A 67.5 > > N. red oak N/A 104.5 > > quaking aspen 3.4 79.9 > > shagbark hickory N/A 69.3 > > silver maple 9.7 107.3 > > slippery elm 7.7 66.1+ > > staghorn sumac 1.7 36.9 tallest documented PA 41 22.920N x 78 > 49.965W > > sycamore N/A 88.1 > sycamore N/A 99.9 > sycamore N/A 110.6 > sycamore 10 115.4 > sycamore N/A 118.4 > sycamore 5.8 118.6 > sycamore 11.4 119.1 > sycamore N/A 119.7 > sycamore 5.7 123.1 > sycamore N/A 129.1 > sycamore 4.8 130.6 tallest documented Clarion River 41 > 22.919N x 78 50.007W > > tuliptree N/A 117 > > white ash 7.3 84.1+ > > > The RI for Clarion River-Portland Mills = *100.6 > * > *Species CBH Height > * > sycamore 4.8 130.6 > E. white pine N/A 121.1 > tuliptree N/A 117 > black cherry 7.8 111.3 > silver maple 9.7 107.3 > N. red oak N/A 104.5 > white ash 7.3 84.1+ > Am. beech N/A 80.9 > quaking aspen 3.4 79.9 > shagbark hickory N/A 69.3 > > > The addition of the new sycamore record brings up the Clarion River RI to > 130.97 > > *Species CBH Height Location > * > E. white pine 9.5 149.7 Cook Forest SP > tuliptree 7.4 141.4 Cook Forest SP > black cherry 10.2 136.4 Cook Forest SP > sycamore 4.8 130.6 Portland Mills > white ash 7.6 128.3 Cook Forest SP > N. red oak 10.1 126.7 Clear Creek SP > E. hemlock 9.2 126.7 Cook Forest SP > pignut hickory 5 126.7 Cook Forest SP > cucumbertree 7.2 122.6 Cook Forest SP > Am. beech 9.3 120.6 Cook Forets SP > > The tallest trees are mostly found in Cook Forest with all of the Cook > trees being located in the Cook Trail Old Growth Area (1st bench) or on the > Foundation Ridge Flat. Out of 63 recorded sites in PA, the Clarion River > now rises to 3rd place in PA's Top Ten RI's: > > *Site RHI > * > Cook Forest State Park 137.38 > Fairmont Park 132.27 > Clarion River 130.97 > McConnells Mill State Park 130.85 > Cemetery Run-Meadville, PA 129.23 > Ridley Creek State Park 128.3 > Swarthmore College 127.55 > Wintergreen Gorge 127.53 > Ricketts Glen State Park 126.29 > Valley Forge National Park 123.83 > > > Dale > > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org < > http://www.nativetreesociety.org/> > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to > [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]><mailto: > entstrees%[email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]>> > > > > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to > [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> > > > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to > [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> > >
