Don- Yes, our observed "old growth" might be(likely is) considerably different from the forests the original inhabitants of North America found.
Steve On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:27 AM, DON BERTOLETTE <[email protected]>wrote: > Steve- > Makes one wonder how much influence prior indigenous cultures may have had > on the old-growth cohort! > -Don > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest LiDAR ground-truthing > expedition 1-2010 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Josh, ENTS- > > So why would second growth be taller than old growth, unless the old growth > was really second growth "once removed"? I think if younger trees are > growing larger and faster than their ancestors, they must have been released > from some environmental constraint, which might relate to climate change, or > species mix degradation in the forest. > > Steve > > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Josh Kelly > <[email protected]>wrote: > > Will, Gaines, > > The "Type Map: Gennett Lumber Company Tract No. 309f.g. Graham Co. > North Carolina" by John Wasilk (sound familiar) and Party from June, > July 1935 clearly shows an abandoned field adjacent to second growth > coves we visited, but depicts the coves, like the 99% of the rest of > the 13,055 acre tract, as "virgin". The more I think about it, the > more I think those coves were logged sometime from August 1935-late > 1937, when the USFS acquired the tract. The wagon road that led to > the abandoned field gave better access to that exceptional spot than > was available to Poplar Cove, so now we are left with exceptional 2nd > growth, rather than exceptional old-growth. I'd wager many of the > poplars in that stand regenerated in the late 1930's while a few are a > decade or two older. For all of you botanically inclined ENTS, I have > started to key in on a couple of tall tree and high-productivity-site- > indicating herbs. They are Goldie's Fern (Dryopteris goldiana) and > walking fern (Asplenium rhizophyllum), both basophiles or > calceophiles. A number of the tall tree spots in the Smokies have one > or both of these species as well as "Wachacha Flats" -the name I > propose for the exceptional 2nd growth area at Kilmer. > > For all of you of you folks interesed in LiDAR and tall trees, I am > compiling an article from information contributed by Paul Jost, Jenn > Hushaw (Nichols School masters student at Duke), Hugh Irwin (ENTS, > SAFC), Will Blozan, Jess Riddle, and myself. Included in the article > will be a narrative about our experiences utilizing LiDAR data and > some notes on its accuracy and precision in the mountains of North > Carolina. It will also include some fancy smancy maps! > > Josh > > On Jan 11, 7:22 pm, "Will Blozan" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Gaines, > > > > I have a 170 footer in Big Creek; 69 years at BH. The Kilmer trees may > only > > be 75 years old. > > > > Will F. Blozan > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > > "No sympathy for apathy" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > > Behalf Of Gaines McMartin > > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:20 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest LiDAR ground-truthing > > expedition 1-2010 > > > > Will: > > > > Thanks for the very exciting account of your survey in Joyce > > Kilmer. Maybe you know, but there have been reports of site indexes > > of up to 140 feet for tuliptree. Second growth can really be > > something if given just a little time. I don't have any data for > > tuliptree growth rates past 50 years. It may be out there. > > > > --Gaines > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it > now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/> >
