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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Konstantinos Bibis
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EOS Digital vs Film discussion
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > My guess is that in one, maybe two years (I bought a LOT of other
> stuff for
> > digital shooting that I'm including), I will have paid for my EOS 1D
> body
> > and all the other stuff I needed to go digital.
>
> How can you be talking about two years from now? Who says that you
> wont have to spend more money 6 months from now to 'upgrade' to the
> next model up from 10D. And dont fall in the trap of saying  "10D is
> good enough for me, i wont need to change". People who owned the D60
> said that and now they own the D60.  Two years is a long long time for
> digital...
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Hi Konstantinos,

It's easy to talk about in two years from now, what are you talking about?
I decide what I do, not someone else.  I've shot with EOS 1N and EOS 1NRS
bodies for the last 5 years or so and still have one that I didn't sell.
When the EOS 3 came out to much fanfare, I decided that I didn't need an EOS
3.  When the EOS 1V came out to world wide acclaim and even the Nikon
faithful were jumping over to the EOS I decided not to buy an EOS 1V.
Personally I don't fell compelled to buy new stuff for the sake of buying
new stuff.  I buy new tools when I need them and when I see that they can
offer me some advantage to making images for me.  Past that I'm not that
interested in new this or new that.

I bought an EOS D60 knowing that a new Canon EOS digital body (now known as
the D10), was coming out very soon (within a few weeks).  I made this
decision based on what I knew about this new body and the "old" D60 body.  I
developed a plan for a digital system to fill MY requirements and filled it
with EOS gear that would provide the equipment that I would need to capture
the images that I wanted to shoot.  I knew that I would need an EOS 1D for
the fast AF and frame rate it can provide.  I knew that the new body would
have the same sensor as the D60, I knew that Canon would claim to have
"improved" the AF performance (of course Canon said that about the D60 too),
I knew that it would have a "better" chassis.  Then I went out and bought
the D60 because it had a proven reliability track record with no major
initial quality problems and because it was a proven image producer for the
kinds of images (table tops and portraits), that I wanted to produce.  I
didn't and still don't care about what the Canon marketing people have to
say about their new product.  I listened to the people here and on several
other websites to people who actually have and use their EOS digital cameras
to produce images and hard output.  I also listened to the armchair generals
and Monday morning quarterbacks who have little or no digital experience
saying that film is "better" than digital.  Then I went out and looked at
the best wet prints (small and VERY large and what machines they were
printed on), that I could find produced by the digital camera bodies I was
interested in.  Then I judged for myself if these Canon digital bodies were
good enough to meet MY very strict ideals of output and image quality.  Ask
anyone here if I'm picky and they will tell you I'm obsessed with final
image quality and processing.  Read my old posts, it's all in there.

If I was still shooting with film, just the money I save from shooting
digitally now would easily pay for my 1D in less than a year.  I loved
shooting and printing in my B&W lab, digital gives me the option to work the
RAW files over and get the most out of the file and onto paper.  This is
just like being in a darkroom but it requires different skills and
techniques. I started up my own B&W darkroom almost 35 years ago and I'm
still learning new tricks and techniques.  This is the same as wet lab work
and nobody can know all of the tricks, even to know "enough" will take many
lifetimes to absorb and use.  The digital process is just as complex (okay
maybe a little more), and just as satisfying in the end to this
photographer.  I think that many of the old school photographers who enjoy
darkroom work will enjoy the digital darkroom too if they can get enough
help to get up the steep learning curve that will be required to produce
good prints.

Maybe you should go to a professionally produced seminar for digital
photographers.  This way you could get some hands on experience with digital
and see the images that can be produced.  Once you do you may change your
song if you can find a way to justify the costs which IMO are the most
formidable part of going digital at this point in time.


Cheers/Chip


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