I cannot understand holy war, but after Hitler (atheist,pagan), Stalin, Mao, Pol, Kim, Enver, gosh - just about every educated government but the U.S. was atheist and genocidal (some still), and the non Judeo Christian countries in pagan times were brutal...do you stupidly think people can bring about world peace on their own after last century...There is no monogamy in relationships anymore...people have no use for anyone else - and why should they? No love, no families, shallow hookups, technologies that Mengele and Ceucescu would have killed for...you guys have a rotten track record - instead of people loving each other and commiting to each other - the adage should be screw everyone but thyself...when I was younger, I wanted one man to commit to and every child would be sacrosanct...good luck today! It is too easy to label any believer in god as a nutcase but what is your reasoning for living? How do you prove your case in light of Communism or Facism or paganism which were brutal societies?
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:47:22 -0800 > Subject: [epistemology 10931] Re: God and Consciousness. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Hi orn > > Nice, I love proofs of God, not those too scientific :-) but those > from non believers as this was the case > > I dont like of course all those boring proofs of not existence of god. > > Whatever. > > What I consider yes a piece of talk is Abraham telling his wife that > God said to him in private, to lie down with Hagar so to conceive an > heir :-) > > And now, some 6000 years away (or million, who cares ) persons blow > themselves, trying to kill the rest because that promise > > heyy I`m not joking, holy war is just warming up > > > > On 5 nov, 18:05, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > *** chuckles*** > > > > And, since the very term “Ornitologicum” could be interpreted as an ad > > hominem … implying I’m for the birds….;-), I thought I’d add a few > > more proofs for god: > > > > http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm > > > > On Nov 5, 11:30 am, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Argumentum Ornitologicum > > > > > I close my eyes and so I see a flock of birds. The vision elapses a > > > second, may be less; I don´t know how many birds I saw. Was the number > > > of birds definite or indefinite? The problem involves the existence of > > > God. If God exists, the number is definite, because God knows how many > > > birds I did saw. If God does not exist, the number is indefinite, > > > because no one could have that counted. At any rate I saw less than > > > ten birds (let´s say) and more than one, but I did not see nine, > > > eight, seven, six, five, four, three or two birds. I saw a number > > > between ten and one, which is not nine , eight, seven, six, five, and > > > so on. That integer is inconceivable. Therfore, God exists. > > > > > On 5 nov, 11:34, socratus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > God and Consciousness. > > > > > > Mr. ‘FF ’ wrote: > > > > > > ‘ There is only one place where "God" has been > > > > demonstrated, even proven to exist - in human brains.’ > > > > === . > > > > God and Consciousness. > > > > > > It seems you are right saying: ‘There is only one place > > > > where "God" has been demonstrated, even proven > > > > to exist - in human brains.’ > > > > Why? Because if God exist, HE /SHE/ IT must be > > > > in every place it means in human brains too. > > > > Question: is it possible to prove this ? > > > > I will try. > > > > Our brain works on dualistic basis: usually consciousness > > > > (logically) and rarely unconsciousness ( at first it seems > > > > illogically but at last it shows as very wise act) . > > > > In his book ‘ The Holographic Universe’ Michael Talbot > > > > on the page 160 explained this situation in such way: > > > > ‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be > > > > the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness > > > > that creates the appearance of the brain - . . . .’ > > > > But as the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ says: > > > > Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. > > > > They do not know My transcendental nature and > > > > My supreme dominion over all that be. > > > > / Chapter 9. Text 11./ > > > > ========== . . > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. > > > > > >http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23624&st=15http://www.ph... > > > > > > ================== . .- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
