The idea of a universe that orders and organises itself--wears me down. So, i wouldn't even try.
** *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. * ** On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM, i.sadovnik socratus <[email protected]>wrote: > Why don't you wish ''even'' to try? > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, awori achoka <[email protected]>wrote: > >> LOL---I wouldn't even try. >> >> The nature of events in nature always amaze me. Who determines the >> causality of events in the universe? I wouldn't mind the crushing of stars >> and the formation of all manner of objects--but then, you bring in humans >> (conscious) and the whole story changes. >> >> >> ** >> *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. >> * >> ** >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, sadovnik socratus <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Take your time. >>> = >>> >>> On May 14, 11:00 pm, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > sure.... give me five years to try to understand Faster than Light.... >>> OK? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:43:41 AM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>> > >>> > > More details >>> > > ===. >>> > >>> > > The basis of SRT ( by an uneducated Socratus) >>> > >>> > > ===. >>> > >>> > > SRT is based on four facts. >>> > >>> > > Fact number 1: >>> > >>> > > The constant speed of photon in vacuum is minimal. >>> > >>> > > ( from vacuum's point of view and tachyon theory ) >>> > >>> > > Fact number 2: >>> > >>> > > The inertia of photon depends on its potential energy: E=Mc^2 >>> > >>> > > In 1905 Einstein asked: >>> > >>> > > “ Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content ?” >>> > >>> > > As he realized the answer was: >>> > >>> > > “ Yes, it depends on E= Mc^2 ” >>> > >>> > > It means that inertia of quantum particle (photon, electron ) >>> > >>> > > depends on E= Mc^2 ( nobody explains the details of such >>> > >>> > > possibility of inertia movement. How can E=Mc^2 >>> > >>> > > be responsible for inertial movement of quantum particle ? ) >>> > >>> > > Someone wrote to me: >>> > >>> > > “An old professor of mine used to say >>> > >>> > > that anyone who can answer that question >>> > >>> > > what inertia is, would win a Nobel Prize. “ >>> > >>> > > Fact number 3: >>> > >>> > > Every speed and energy >>> > >>> > > ( including the speed and energy of photon ) are relative. >>> > >>> > > Speed, energy, impulse . . . . etc they are physical parameters >>> > >>> > > which belong to one, single quantum particle. >>> > >>> > > If you change one parameter all others will change automatically too. >>> > >>> > > For example : >>> > >>> > > In 1916 Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c. >>> > >>> > > If you change one electron's parameter all others parameters >>> > >>> > > also will be changed and the electron's energy will change too. >>> > >>> > > Take, for example, electron in atom. >>> > >>> > > Electron tied with atom by the energy: E=-me^4/2h*^2= -13,6eV. >>> > >>> > > But if someone parameter changes, then electron jumps out from atom >>> > >>> > > with energy E=h*f ( it is said: electron emits quantum of light, >>> > >>> > > but where this quantum of light is hidden in the electron, in which >>> pocket >>> > > ?) >>> > >>> > > In vacuum the energy of electron is E=Mc^2 (according to SRT and >>> Dirac), >>> > >>> > > but when someone parameter is changed then electron jumps out from >>> > >>> > > vacuum with energy E=h*f. ( effect of vacuum fluctuation ). >>> > >>> > > Fact number 4: >>> > >>> > > The Lorentz equations explain the transformations (revolving >>> movement) >>> > >>> > > of quantum particles using the Goudsmit – Uhlenbeck inner >>> impulse >>> > >>> > > of particle: h* = h/ 2pi. >>> > >>> > > ===. >>> > >>> > > All the best. >>> > >>> > > Israel Sadovnik Socratus >>> > >>> > > =====… >>> > >>> > > P.S. >>> > >>> > > " Einstein's special theory of relativity is based on two postulates: >>> > >>> > > One is the relativity of motion, and the second is the constancy >>> > >>> > > and universality of the speed of light. >>> > >>> > > Could the first postulate be true and the other false? >>> > >>> > > If that was not possible, Einstein would not have had to make two >>> > >>> > > postulates. But I don't think many people realized until recently >>> > >>> > > that you could have a consistent theory in which you changed only >>> > >>> > > the second postulate." >>> > >>> > > / Lee Smolin, The Trouble With Physics, p. 226. / >>> > >>> > > # >>> > >>> > > Question: >>> > >>> > > Can quantum of light change its constant speed ? >>> > >>> > > Answer: Faster-than-light. >>> > >>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light >>> > >>> > > etc . . . >>> > >>> > > ===… >>> > >>> > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM, nominal9 >>> > > <[email protected]<javascript:> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > >>> > >> So... Socratus and Awori..... I guess I should ask the question >>> > >> differently.... do photons have "mass"? >>> > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon >>> > >> Experimental checks on photon mass >>> > >>> > >> The photon is currently understood to be strictly massless, but >>> this is >>> > >> an experimental question. If the photon is not a strictly massless >>> > >> particle, it would not move at the exact speed of light in vacuum, >>> *c*. >>> > >> Its speed would be lower and depend on its frequency. Relativity >>> would be >>> > >> unaffected by this; the so-called speed of light, *c*, would then >>> not be >>> > >> the actual speed at which light moves, but a constant of nature >>> which is >>> > >> the maximum speed that any object could theoretically attain in >>> space-time. >>> > >> [21] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-23> Thus, it >>> would >>> > >> still be the speed of space-time ripples (gravitational waves< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_waves>and >>> > >> gravitons <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton>), but it would >>> not be >>> > >> the speed of photons. >>> > >>> > >> A massive photon would have other effects as well. Coulomb's law< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law>would be modified and the >>> electromagnetic field would have an extra >>> > >> physical degree of freedom. These effects yield more sensitive >>> experimental >>> > >> probes of the photon mass than the frequency dependence of the >>> speed of >>> > >> light. If Coulomb's law is not exactly valid, then that would cause >>> the >>> > >> presence of an electric field< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field>inside a hollow conductor >>> when it is subjected to an external electric >>> > >> field. This thus allows one to test< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_electromagnetism>Coulomb's law >>> to very high precision. >>> > >> [22] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-24> A null >>> result >>> > >> of such an experiment has set a limit of *m* ≲ 10−14 eV/c2.[23]< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-25> >>> > >>> > >> Sharper upper limits have been obtained in experiments designed to >>> detect >>> > >> effects caused by the galactic vector potential< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_potential>. >>> > >> Although the galactic vector potential is very large because the >>> galactic magnetic >>> > >> field <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> exists on >>> very long >>> > >> length scales, only the magnetic field is observable if the photon >>> is >>> > >> massless. In case of a massive photon, the mass term [image: >>> > >> \scriptstyle\frac{1}{2} m^2 A_{\mu}A^{\mu}] would affect the >>> galactic >>> > >> plasma. The fact that no such effects are seen implies an upper >>> bound on >>> > >> the photon mass of *m* < 3×10−27 eV/c2.[24]< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-26>The galactic vector >>> potential can also be probed directly by measuring the >>> > >> torque exerted on a magnetized ring.[25]< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-27>Such methods were >>> used to obtain the sharper upper limit of 10 >>> > >> −18eV/c2 (the equivalent of 1.07×10−27 atomic mass units) given by >>> the >>> > >> Particle Data Group.[26]< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-amsler-28> >>> > >>> > >> These sharp limits from the non-observation of the effects caused >>> by the >>> > >> galactic vector potential have been shown to be model >>> dependent.[27]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-29>If the >>> photon mass is generated via the Higgs >>> > >> mechanism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism> then the >>> upper >>> > >> limit of *m*≲10−14 eV/c2 from the test of Coulomb's law is valid. >>> > >>> > >> Photons inside superconductors< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductors>do develop a nonzero >>> effective >>> > >> rest mass< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_%28solid-state_physics%29>; >>> > >> as a result, electromagnetic forces become short-range inside >>> > >> superconductors.[28] < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-30> >>> > >> See also: Supernova/Acceleration Probe< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova/Acceleration_Probe> >>> > >>> > >> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:31:48 PM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> photon is an energy/mass particle: E=Mc^2 >>> > >>> > >>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) is not constant parameter >>> > >>> > >>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) can be changed ( together with speed ) >>> > >>> > >>> for example: E=Mc^2 changes into E=h*f and vice versa >>> > >>> == >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Photon< >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon> >>> > >>>> Do you agree with this? >>> > >>>> so, is a photon energy or particle..... when, if both?...... >>> > >>> > >>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:03:26 AM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>> SRT by an uneducated Socratus. >>> > >>>>> =. >>> > >>>>> SRT is based on three facts ! >>> > >>>>> Fact number 1: >>> > >>>>> The constant speed of photon in vacuum is minimal. >>> > >>>>> Fact number 2: >>> > >>>>> The inertia of photon depends on its potential energy: E=Mc^2 >>> > >>>>> Fact number 3: >>> > >>>>> Every speed and energy >>> > >>>>> ( including the speed and energy of photon ) are relative. >>> > >>>>> ===. >>> > >>>>> Israel Socratus >>> > >>> > >>>>> -- >>> > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > >>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>> > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send >>> > >>>> an email to epistemology...@**googlegroups.com. >>> > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > >>>> Visit this group athttp:// >>> groups.google.com/**group/epistemology?hl=en< >>> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en> >>> > >>>> . >>> > >>>> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out >>> <https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> > >>>> . >>> > >>> > >>> -- >>> > >>> You do not really understand something unless you can explain >>> > >>> it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / >>> > >>> The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light >>> Theory ’. >>> > >>> > >> -- >>> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > >> "Epistemology" group. >>> > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> > >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <javascript:> >>> > >> . >>> > >> Visit this group athttp:// >>> groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>> > >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > You do not really understand something unless you can explain... >>> > >>> > read more » >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Epistemology" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > You do not really understand something unless you can explain > it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / > The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory ’. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. 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