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Funny you should ask, that subject was brought up on another email list recently. One of the paid technical advisors in the type club of my other airplane came from the aviation insurance industry. In his years of experience, he has never seen a claim denied by an insurance agency based on bad paperwork or related matters. His reasoning was that if it did happen, the firestorm of bad press that would quickly follow would put the carrier out of business. What really gets you are the actions taken by the feds and the civil courts. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>; "Robert Q. Steinman PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Paperwork > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > I have one question who amongst you know of any insurance claims that were > denied > because of bad paper work on a A/C. There are probably some but in my 50 > or more > years around A/C I have never even heard of one. > > DICK NANCY & SOPHIE > -------Original Message------- > > From: Robert Q. Steinman, PhD > Date: 05/13/05 15:00:37 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Paperwork > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > Your comment remind me of those who believe that zero tolerance > makes good sense, when in fact zero tolerance means zero brains. There is no > substitute for common sense. I would say the difference between a clock and > a spar is fraud. > > > > Robert Q. Steinman, Ph.D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Paperwork > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > Richard; > > > > That's grand fodder for a very good discussion. I'm surprised that your > > airplane can even get off the ground with a clock not certificated for the > > Ercoupe. ;-) But let's not go to those extremes. How about a wing spar > > that has been spliced together, no records or docs? Flies fine doesn't it? > > Wouldn't you like to know about it when you're buying? Has your own IA > > checked the seat belts for AD's? That's what an annual is all about! What > > about some mechanic changing a mag without documenting it? An AD comes > > along that you don't think affects you and it spits up (or in) chunks one > > day. Same goes about those unapproved fuel pump repair kits that are > > probably just as good ad the high priced spread. How do you know if the > > baggage compartment that's in there w/o paperwork will hold your pilot bag > > or fall through on top of the control cables? What about that bubble > > windshield without the paperwork? Was it really installed in the manner > > that was listed on the STC? There are many scenarios that could be valid as > > well as ridiculous. On one side have you ever heard about the guys putting > > MOPAR pistons in the C85's? Talk about hot rods! > > > > On the other is the clock. Have there been 40 years of bad mechanics? In a > > word, well - - - -! Good technicians obviously, but the job's not done > > until the paperwork is completed. Can an IA inspect the work performed > > previously and submit the paperwork. Absolutely, but unfortunately it'll be > > on your nickel. For too long these little airplanes have gotten minimal or > > pencil inspections, and in the very near future, after a few do fall out of > > the sky with Sport Pilots at the helm, the party is going to be over. > > > > Bottom line guys, my first airplane was a coupe as was my second, fourth and > > sixth (in restoration, now). The third and fifth were/are Bonanzas. Big > > difference in prices of everything, but I learned the value of a good > > inspection and proper documentation. Don't fall into a bad habit by > > sneaking one over on your IA. Get that documentation taken care of, it'll > > show pride in ownership and increase the value of that airplane. And NEVER > > buy an aircraft without a prebuy. > > > > Al > > Always willing to tell you what you don't expect to hear. Isn't that right, > > B? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Wilkens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:08 PM > > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Paperwork > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > You know we haven't had lively discussion on this list in years, so let's > > start one. > > > > We just had a member use the following phase ".Too many Ercoupes have poor > > paperwork, undocumented mods." > > > > As many of you know I collect Ercoupe records and have probability read as > > many individual Ercoupe FAA airworthiness records as anyone. Take for > > example the clock in the middle of my panel, I think it was put there in > > 1965, but there is no 337 for it. Oh dear the world will come to an > > end! Our Leader will be unhappy! In the 17 years I have had my Coupe not a > > single AP has said anything about it. Does that mean the 16 annuals I have > > had were done by BAD APs? (That would mean ten out of ten APs I have used > > over the years are all bad. If we go back the full 40 years since the > > clock was put in, who knows how many bad APs have worked on my Coupe. That > > even includes Skyport--many years before John owned it.) > > > > When I flow 904 over an 11,000 foot pass with the ceiling low enough you > > couldn't see the top of the mountains, I didn't care that the clock doesn't > > have a 337 on file with the FAA. What I cared about is that my AP just > > finished an annual and 904 was running great with all gauges in the > > green. If I had put it into the mountain that day, do you think the FAA > > would have checked for the 337 on my clock? > > > > I have noticed reading FAA airworthiness files all one has to do is ask his > > current AP to check the installation of the "mods" and they will file a 337 > > for the "mod" saying "I have inspected the previously installed 'mod' and > > it was done in accordance with FAA rule XXXX.xxx." So what is the big > > deal? I don't think that because the FAA doesn't have a piece of paper on > > file makes an airplane something to worry about or "...pay scrap > > prices...". If you have bad paperwork and want scrap prices give me a call, > > I have money in the bank. > > > > I firmly agree with one letter I read in a FAA registration file. The guy > > was having a problem getting his registration done with the FAA. He wrote > > them saying something like "If you don't send me the registration, my > > airplane will fly just as well without it." > > > > Richard > > N99904 > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > > == > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > == > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 > > > > > > > _____ > > << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 99957 Spam messages and set aside > 6479 Newsletters for me > You can use it too - and it's FREE! 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