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David,

There are some considerations in favor of conversion to the D Model on a
few
of Hartmut's points.  While my thinking and conclusions differ from his on
this subject, that does not, of itself, make either of us right or wrong.

First, understand that the relationship of one's mechanic with the local
FAA
office has more to do with the "pain" of converting than the physical
work.
Establish this relationship and find out exactly what procedure/paperwork
they want before approval of this relatively straightforward modification.

Most pilots are proud of their birds, and like to share their joy with
others.  I'm 225 lbs. plus, and prefer not to invite an FAA citation every
flight for operations over gross weight (with full fuel and another person
on board).  I like to take my wife places, and a bit of luggage is also
nice.  1260# gross is solo flight, period. 1400# is simply more practical.

Yes, I have occasionally been a bit over 1400# on takeoff (but not a lot).
That same weight in a C Model would be such a flagrant violation of the
1260# C-Model gross the FAA might well choose to "set an example"; and the
number of others doing it (safely) is an excuse without meaningful effect.

Changing the trim tab, the main gear oleo orifice size, and the elevator
movement is not particularly difficult or expensive.  Most coupes badly
need
interior oleo cleaning, honing, and new rubber bumpers, donuts and seals
(and maybe spacers to get the tail the right height), all very easy to do
with the gear apart.

The stainless skin is a safety of flight issue overlooked by the CAA when
the 415-C was approved.  On the original 415 with the ERCO engine, the
engine cowling did not extend over the fuselage tank.  That only became
necessary to fit a flat opposed-four and cowling to a fuselage designed
for
an in-line four without major change.

In case of an engine compartment fire, the protection of our stainless
firewall is an illusion.  Flames and heat will quickly travel over your
firewall and between the top cowl where a thin aluminum skin is the sole
protection for the fuselage tank.  Whatever you use to prevent chafing
between the top cowl and the fuselage won't last long in fire in flight.

The hole for the filler neck is seldom a tight fit.  Inspection of this
area
(with the engine cowling off) may reveal fuel-soaked insulation around
that
neck just waiting for a spark.  It's an area that a tight fit and a
reliable
seal are well worth time and attention.

The stainless skin can be installed (and approved) OVER the aluminum skin
with cherry rivets, without removal of the fuselage tank.  The mechanic I
employed  didn't raise the issue with the FAA and ask for permission...he
just did it that way and it was approved as inspected.

It costs much more to purchase the parts and get approval for conversion
to
the E, and the number of coupes so converted is not huge.  I don't like
the
control "feel" with the (required) bodacious "low speed warning" spring
one
must override to get the additional elevator movement.  In all fairness,
though, I haven't flown this arrangement sufficiently to get used to it.

Regards,

William R. Bayne
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(Copyright 2002)

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on 01/19/04 8:48 PM, Hartmut Beil at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I might get in devils kitchen with writing this , but I would not go
through
> all the pain of converting to an 415-D unless there is a good reason for
it.
> Reason number one would be - you got a wonderful O-200 for the Coupe ,
> reason number two - you really intent to fly the plane within legal
limits
> of a max gross weight of 1400 pounds (unheard of) and therefore want to
> raise the limits.
> Because almost every Couper I talked to does not care about gross weight
> anyway. Most fly alone, where a 1260 Gross is sufficient and if you fly
with
> two 200 pound people, you are overweight anyway, no matter if in a 415-D
> or -C, it is just a matter of how much you are overweight.(provided you
take
> off with full tanks)
> The airframe is not changed when converting to a 425-D. The plane will
not
> fly better or climb better (unless you add a new engine) - it rather has
> some new limits to it, which the main one is the elevator limitation,
giving
> you trouble flaring at (formerly) normal landing speed.
> If you plan only to take occasionally someone with you to a sightseeing
> flight, you can save you the hassle to go through the pain of changing
the
> trim tab, the elevator up limit, the landing gear (depending on serial
> number) the stainless steel sheet over the fuselage tank ( you need to
> remove the tank to get access - not an easy task) plus a few other
things I
> can't think of right now, and just make some weight an balance
calculations
> instead and fuel accordingly.
> For the service letters from Ercoupe check here:
> http://ercoupers.com/service/default.html
> You might also check the conversion option to the later model 415-E
here:
> (depending on serial number)
>
http://ercoupers.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh.exe/337s/?C3d149aefbyd9-4534-975-00.h
tm
> 
> Have a good night.
> 
> Hartmut N3330H

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Coupe-List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:50 PM
> Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: ercoupe conversion
> 
> David,
> 
> I'm not a mechanic so I can't give you a detailed answer.
> 
> I know that you need to replace the metal sheet over the fuselage fuel
> tank with an identical one made of stainless steel.  This is labor
> intensive because of the difficulty of bucking rivets and getting access
> so you can do that.
> 
> There are some other things that have to be done that are much les in
> cost, labor and time.
> 
> You have to change the up travel of the elevator from 13° to 9°.  This
> makes about a 5 mph increase in actual touch down speed but otherwise
> isn't a big deal.
> 
> The log books need to have notations made and the metal data plate must
> be modified (replaced or re-stamped with a metal stamping kit).
> 
> Skyport has a kit for the change with everything you need.
> 
> It has long been debated whether its necessary to send the paperwork to
> the FAA because this is something EXPLICITLY allowed by the type
> certificate A-787.
> 
> I'll forward this to the [email protected] mail list and you can watch
> the better answers there.  ( If you're not a member of the list, you can
> join at http://www.ercoupers.com  -- highly recommended!)
> 
> Ed Burkhead
> http://edburkhead.com/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]    (remove the QQQ)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:59 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ercoupe conversion
> 
> Dear Sir:
> I am contemplating the purchase of an ercoupe model 415-C and was
> wondering
> exactly what an upgrade to the model 415-D entails.  Also, what parts
> would I
> need to purchase and where would I purchase them from.  Any help is
> greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.
> David
> 

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