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>2. [COUPERS-FLYIN] Coupes for cross country flying
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>From: dennis spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Dan Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Burkhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Coupe-List <
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>Reply-To: dennis spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Should I be interested in buying an Ercoupe, Forney, Alon, etc.
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>Hey there Dan And All.Cross country is FUN in a coupe Syd and I and Brad (Syd's cousin) flew from Wausau Wi and Chicago Il respectively to Daytona Beach Fl last year round trip 27 hours due to crap weather enroute low ceilings etc .Had a ball met neat people ate great food great stories I even thought I got shot at turned out to be a Dzus fastener flew out and hit my leading edge at the root fairing at 100 MPH.We met a guy that just bought a coupe I think we were in Tennessee (SYD help me out here) and we dropped out of the sky in his lap and this guy looked at Syd's coupe and mine and said I ain't seen more than one at a time now there's three at my airport in the middle of nowhere.He had it flown to him he never flew it yet.That made this guys day.Remember at the Nationals to ask Syd about the Chipper it's worth the wait to hear it.Tep the coupe is a blast I'm thinkin about going to the Bahamas with a group next April we will see !!
>Dennis 99564
>
>Dan Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>Wayne Woollard has some serious cross country Ercoupe stories to tell!!!
>I'd be interested to hear how other Ercoupe owners do with cross country
>travel (Ed?).
>
>In my experience my Erocupe (3968H) works just fine for cross country flight
>as long as you're not in a hurry - 100 MPH in the air sure beats driving
>anyway!
>
>I fly my Ercoupe about 340 NM from Southern Calfornia over the San
>Bernardino Mountains on up to Petaluma, in Northern California to visit my
>folks about ever 6 weeks (for the past 6 1/2 years). Cruise is anywhere
>from 6,500 to 9,500' and I lean so that fuel burns are around 4.5 to 5.0 GPH
>with an O-200, although 5 GPH is more typical at higher cruise power
>settings. It's a 4 1/2 hour flight more or less, and we've flown a good
>number of those trips at night, landing around 9:00 PM and even as late as
>1:00 AM a time or two (that was a bit much!).
>
>We've flown from SoCal to Arlington WA in 2004. We also flew to OSH & back
>in 2003, following the I-80 over the Sierra's and Rockies. During those
>trips most of my time was spent between 9,500 & 11,500. Yes, it took a LONG
>time to climb up that high in the summer heat, and that's only do-able solo
>(although with plenty of baggage for OSH).
>
>I've put about 1,000 hours on my Ercoupe in 6.5 years and about 2/3 of that
>has been 'cross country' flying.
>
>For longer distance cross country flying an RV-6A would be much better
>however, I'd have to spend about 3 times as much to buy one.
>
>I have only flown once off of a grass strip (Frazier Lake). That was at
>full dross (+) and on a hot day. The take off roll was long so I would
>probably hesitate to try the 1650' grass strip at gross on a hot day unless
>there are NO obstructions at the departure end. I'm sure that there are a
>number of guys from teh mid-west with FAR more grass strip expereince than
>me, so I'll defer to them.
>
>Have FUN !
>
>I love my Ercoupe.
>Dan Hall
>N3968H
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Burkhead"
>To: "Coupe-List"
>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:03 PM
>Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Should I be interested in buying an Ercoupe,
>Forney, Alon, etc.
>
>
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> >
> >
> >
> > > First, you forgot to add 50 years of settled dust/dirt
> > > +25 lbs.
> >
> > Egads! Don't you clean the interior belly? One good A&P I used year
> > after year ALWAYS cleaned the interior belly and washed the entire plane
> > during his inspection because that helped him inspect the whole thing,
> > inch by inch.
> >
> > If it ain't been cleaned, it ain't been inspected. JMHO.
> >
> >
> > I'll agree with Bill Bayne that Coupes can be adequate cross-country
> > planes. But you do need vacation time to go on a trip 800 miles or
> > more - you just can't do it on a weekend. My Coupe went 100 mph, my
> > Challenger should cruise about 75 - I hope to do lots of cross-country
> > travel in my Challenger, too.
> >
> >
> > Ed Burkhead
> > http://edburkhead.com/
> > ed -at- edburkheadQQQ.com (change -at- and remove the QQQ)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William R. Bayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:54 PM
> > To: COUPERS-FLYIN
> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Should I be interested in buying an
> > Ercoupe, Forney, Alon, etc.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Larry,
> >
> > Heh heh...I know where you're coming from!
> >
> > I recognize that Ed Burkhead and I are a minority in believing if you
> > =20=
> >
> > structure the variables that the coupe is as good a cross-country =20
> > airplane for a two-place as has been made, absent more modern =20
> > homebuilts. As an example, I believe my one gallon of unusable fuel to
> > =20=
> >
> > be twice that actually likely (- 3 lbs.!).
> >
> > We look for the ways coupes CAN so operate. Of COURSE one must also =20
> > envision the ways that they are marginal and adequately compensate. We
> > =20=
> >
> > all have (or should have) a "comfort zone" for our abilities and those
> > =20=
> >
> > of the aircraftin in which we are comfortable.
> >
> > I also must admit I've yet to see a 75hp or 85 hp coupe properly timed
> > =20=
> >
> > and properly leaned on a cross-country burn 5.5 gph. When you figure
> > =20=
> >
> > that "heavy" coupes and "light" coupes weigh the same at gross, is that
> > =20=
> >
> > in the range of "normal" where you live?
> >
> > When I was a student pilot, just prior to my first (long) cross-country
> > =20=
> >
> > I had my A&P check my timing. He re-set it WRONG! Because I "knew" =20
> > what my burn should be I was not as attentive to the nose tank wire as
> > =20=
> >
> > I should have been. My receipt was for 24 gallons of gas at Blythe. =20
> > CA! That lesson will never be forgotton.
> >
> > The pilot that is methodical, meticulous and precise in learning and =20
> > operating a given aircraft can safely and routinely do things that =20
> > would entail great danger for others. Perhaps the best example would
> > =20=
> >
> > be Bob Hoover's single-engine aerobatics in a "blueprinted" Aero =20
> > Commander landing "dead stick" with precision again and again.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > WRB
> >
> > -- =20
> >
> > On Oct 15, 2004, at 9:34 AM, MAGIC VAC wrote:
> >
> > > OK, you Devil you,
> > > =A0
> > > =A0=A0=A0=A0First, you forgot to add 50 years of settled dust/dirt +25
> > > =
> > lbs.=A0 =20
> > > And, my 85 hp Coupe always burned around 5.5 gal/hr.=A0 +25 lbs.=A0 =
> > Plus, =20
> > > everyone wants that extra degree of safety on fuel, +25 lbs.=A0 Plus,
> > > =20=
> >
> > > what good is a plane if you can only fly every time they mow the =20
> > > grass?=A0 + 1.5" grass.=A0 I still don't think it's a 1600 ft grass =
> > runway =20
> > > summertime airplane.
> > > =A0
> > > Larry
> > >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: William R. Bayne
> > > To: COUPERS-FLYIN
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Should I be interested in buying an =20
> > > Ercoupe, Forney, Alon, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, I'll play "devil's advocate...
> > >
> > > The pessimist sees the glass as half empty
> > > The optimist sees the glass as half full
> > > Fred Weick sees the glass twice the size it needs to be.
> > >
> > > A 925 lb. coupe probably has metal wings, a lot of old instruments and
> > > =
> > =20
> > > radios, multiple coats of paint and plush upholstery. Forneys, Alons
> > > =20=
> >
> > > and Cadets weigh this much, but they have 90hp.
> > >
> > > A 415-D came out of the factory weighing about 825 lbs. It probably
> > > =20=
> >
> > > has a metal prop today (+8 lbs) but a modern 25 amp battery (-4 lbs)
> > > =20=
> >
> > > and removal of the aileron counterweights (3.5 lbs) cancel this out
> > > =20=
> >
> > > (weightwise, NOT C.G.!).
> > >
> > > At 4.2 gpm fuel consumption and 100 mph, 250 miles is 4.2 x 2.5 =3D =
> > 10.5 =20
> > > gal. Add 2.1 gal. for a 30 minute (50 mile) reserve and you have 12.6
> > > =20=
> >
> > > gal. @ 6 lbs./gal, or 75.6 lbs. for fuel. Add a gallon for unusable
> > > =20=
> >
> > > fuel and you have: A 825 lb coupe, with 81.6 lbs. fuel, 320 lbs. =20
> > > passengers and 40 lbs. stuff adds up to the approximate max. gross of
> > > =20=
> >
> > > a 415-C or CD, given the variables.
> > >
> > > Add to the mix some common sense. If you're going on a long trip, plan
> > > =
> > =20
> > > to depart early in the morning (then density altitude performance at
> > > =20=
> >
> > > maximum gross on a hot summer day isn't as important). When you're =20
> > > just flying around locally on a summer afternoon, don't carry baggage
> > > =20=
> >
> > > and don't fill the tanks.
> > >
> > > If the strip is mowed weekly, try to plan a cross-country "departure
> > > =20=
> >
> > > day" within 3 days of mowing so you're dealing with 3-4" grass. I have
> > > =
> > =20
> > > departed Albuquerque at 11am at full gross and 6000' elevation =20
> > > (marginal with 85hp) in mid-summer. You don't have to clear ALL the
> > > =20=
> >
> > > mountains around, just have acceptable clearance on the upwind side of
> > > =
> > =20
> > > those on your chosen route, and approach higher terrain at a 45=BA =
> > angle =20
> > > so that you only have to turn 90=BA to turn away should you encounter
> > =
> > a =20
> > > serious downdraft.
> > >
> > > If you really want extra climb performance, get a rag wing coupe with
> > > =20=
> >
> > > a C-90 or 0-200. Ed's climb prop sounds worthwhile, and he still got
> > > =20=
> >
> > > better than 100 mph+ cruise performance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > William R. Bayne
> > > <____|-(o)-|____>
> > > Copyright 2004
> > >
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>From: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Coupe-List" <
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>Reply-To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Coupes for cross country flying
>
>
>Wayne has surely done more Coupe cross country than I have. Still, I
>got around some.
>
>By flying high and leaning and slowing down some for better range, I
>flew from Iowa City to Chester, Connecticut in three legs, about 980 air
>miles. Left home early morning and arrived at 5:00 p.m. The trip home
>took longer against the prevailing winds and with an overnight due to
>weather - home by 10 a.m. the next morning.
>
>When my friend and I flew out to Martha's Vineyard, and had to cross 12
>miles of ocean, I was cautious. I climbed to 12,500' so I could glide
>to the land. As soon as we got TO the edge of the ocean, I saw we were
>so high, we needed to start down already and we did - even so, I had to
>circle for 20 minutes over the island to use up the rest of the altitude
>to get down.
>
>
>On my Grand Tour out west, I mostly followed I-80 from Iowa City to the
>Minden Ercoupe National Convention. Flying west, I formulated my VFR
>travel doctrine: You can usually get where you want to go if you're
>willing to detour a state or so off your route to go around bad weather.
>In Nebraska, I had to detour north to the South Dakota border to go
>around the weather.
>
>That took me across Wyoming by a different route than I'd pre-planned
>but it sure was scenic.
>
>I learned that in the high-desert Western states, I wanted to take off
>at morning twilight and stop flying at 10:30 due to the thermals. Then,
>maybe fly a few more hours in the evening. Twice I took off at 10:30
>and had an unpleasant hour and a half getting to the next airport just
>100 miles away. I slowed down to 70 so the thermal bumps couldn't
>damage anything and let the roller coaster take me up and down.
>
>From Minden, I flew northwest to Klamath Falls, then over Crater Lake,
>then into the middle of Oregon. Across to the coast for a bit, then up
>the Columbia River Gorge at 6500-7000' early in the morning when there
>was still no wind. From the Gorge, I flew northeast to Coeur d'Alene,
>Idaho. An Early morning takeoff didn't work because there were low
>clouds in the mountain valleys to the east so I landed and waited. By
>almost noon, the weather was better and I followed I-90 to near the
>Flathead valley then went North to Kalispell where the motels are right
>by the Downtown Airport - I tied the plane down by my motel.
>
>After a few days in Glacier National Park by rental car, I flew around
>the park's south side, then along its east side up to the Canadian
>border. Then I followed a straight line across the Great Plains back to
>Iowa city (with some wiggling around to avoid weather).
>
>What a Trip!
>
>From Peoria, I flew down to Lakeland, Florida, for Sun-N-Fun, stopping
>for an overnight at Chattanooga, TN, with relatives.
>
>Overall, I'd observe that with rudder pedals, my knees didn't like long
>cross country trips too much - on cross countries, I wished I didn't
>have those pesky pedals. Also, that my Coupe did adequately in the
>mountains, flying solo at about 1350 lb., with a climb prop.
>
>I do miss my Coupe a lot. When I sold it to John Wright, Jr., I hoped
>it'd get fixed up. Two guys from my own airport bought it and paid for
>some major restoration done by John. You other pretty airplane
>contenders had better polish well - this plane will be good competition
>at Nationals next summer.
>
>I'd better get busier on building my Challenger so I can get back in the
>air. It only will cruise about 75 but I still want to take it all over
>the country. I'll just be lower and slower.
>
>Ed Burkhead
>http://edburkhead.com/
>ed -at- edburkheadQQQ.com (change -at- and remove the QQQ)
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Coupe-List" <
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>Reply-To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Should I be interested in buying an Ercoupe, Forney, Alon, etc.
>
>
>Another thought about the 1650 grass airport: I believe he said there
>are some obstructions though not bad ones. I think 9" of grass is
>dangerously too much. With an O-200 or with a C-85 and climb prop and
>no obstructions, I wouldn't expect much problems on well tended 1650'
>grass field. But 5" or more of grass is a LOT of drag. 9" may put you
>into the fence if you're not firm about your abort decision point.
>
>You might want to get checked out on the mower and get permission to mow
>before you take off sometimes.
>
>With tall grass (or anytime on grass) I'd mush off the ground with full
>up elevator and accelerate in ground effect at 1-3" until I got to 70 or
>more, then climb.
>
>On our grass field, I was almost always off in 900'-1100' and NEVER took
>more than 1350' even hot and heavy (though I NEVER cheated on gross
>weight when it was hot). But I had an extreme 7146 climb prop on my
>C-85, right at the edge of allowed static rpm and it did limit my cruise
>speed to 100 mph at 2400 rpm. But our grass was never allowed to get
>too long and it was worn down fairly much due to the traffic.
>
>I would not fly out of that field on a warm day with a cruise prop,
>especially with long grass.
>
>
>Ed Burkhead
>http://edburkhead.com/
>ed -at- edburkheadQQQ.com (change -at- and remove the QQQ)
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Coupe-List" <
[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Coupes for cross country flying
>
>Fellow Coupers::
>
>I see by the subtle hints that some comment from me about Coupe Crusin' is
>applicable. I have done a sufficient amount of cross country in various
>Ercoupes/Aircoupes. I like to cruise at the prevailing altitude required to
>stay reasonably cool and sufficiently smooth in order to be comfortable, yet
>low enough to see the great American "Outback" that you cannot see from 6
>miles up! The Alon presents you with an observation platform second to
>none, and an incredible sauna. I have tried various methodologies in order
>to increase ventilation, and reduce solar radiation. I have had limited
>success in both endeavors. I like to fly early in the morning make three
>legs and get out of the airplane by 4 o-clock in the afternoon, this is what
>I like to do, but this is not always what you can do! I have been places
>where it was easy to get into town from the airport, and find lodging, and
>it was almost impossible to get back, especially on time. I have resorted
>to calling limo's, Tow trucks, auto clubs, and Sheriffs offices, in light of
>busses and cabs.
>Three things you must have when you cross country for long distances, your
>up to date address book, a cell phone, and cash! Don't be afraid to pay a
>little money to get out of a bad situation. Go prepared, take enough charts
>with you to cover the area you intend to fly, the Airguide books are
>important also. When you are through with something that you are carrying
>as cargo, either throw it away or send it home, even dirty clothes! File
>flight plans, Monitor to Flight Watch, (122.0) be observant of your
>environment as to weather buildups, and dust storms. Above all be careful,
>take care of yourself, you are the only one of yourself there is!
>From a mechanical viewpoint, I always cruise with the airplane leaned to
>approx 1300 degrees of EGT on the #2 cyl, no specific reason for the #2, it
>just happens to be the cylinder I chose when I began my cockpit setup. I
>run my engine right at redline, No specific reason here either, the engine
>performs smoothly, remains clean of carbon, operates coolly, and this is the
>point from which further revolutions produce minimum gain in speed or
>efficiency. I do not refill the oil tank when it indicates 4 and a half
>quarts and above, my engine is worn enough that it just regurgitates the
>upper half quart anyway, so I get no cooling or lubrication benefit. I will
>fly around afternoon buildups , but I do not avoid small showers and such.
>This is a Big country and you will encounter all kinds of weather in just a
>days flight. Listen to your briefer when he warns of mountain obscuration
>and avoid going where you cannot see.
>
>I have owned three different configurations of Ercoupe/Aircoupe 1) Ercoupe
>with add on rudder pedal kit and a D model, a C model with minimum
>configuration and no rudder pedals, and an Alon with factory rudder pedals
>and almost every other convenience known to mankind. I must confess the 415
>C minimum configuration airplane was the most fun to fly and enjoy, windows
>down 2,500 feet AGL and 105 MPH hard to beat.
>
>Thanks for tolerating my dissertation.
>
>Wayne Woollard
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Coupe-List" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:06 AM
>Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Coupes for cross country flying
>
>
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any
> > advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> >
> > Wayne has surely done more Coupe cross country than I have. Still, I
> > got around some.
> >
> > By flying high and leaning and slowing down some for better range, I
> > flew from Iowa City to Chester, Connecticut in three legs, about 980 air
> > miles. Left home early morning and arrived at 5:00 p.m. The trip home
> > took longer against the prevailing winds and with an overnight due to
> > weather - home by 10 a.m. the next morning.
> >
> > When my friend and I flew out to Martha's Vineyard, and had to cross 12
> > miles of ocean, I was cautious. I climbed to 12,500' so I could glide
> > to the land. As soon as we got TO the edge of the ocean, I saw we were
> > so high, we needed to start down already and we did - even so, I had to
> > circle for 20 minutes over the island to use up the rest of the altitude
> > to get down.
> >
> >
> > On my Grand Tour out west, I mostly followed I-80 from Iowa City to the
> > Minden Ercoupe National Convention. Flying west, I formulated my VFR
> > travel doctrine: You can usually get where you want to go if you're
> > willing to detour a state or so off your route to go around bad weather.
> > In Nebraska, I had to detour north to the South Dakota border to go
> > around the weather.
> >
> > That took me across Wyoming by a different route than I'd pre-planned
> > but it sure was scenic.
> >
> > I learned that in the high-desert Western states, I wanted to take off
> > at morning twilight and stop flying at 10:30 due to the thermals. Then,
> > maybe fly a few more hours in the evening. Twice I took off at 10:30
> > and had an unpleasant hour and a half getting to the next airport just
> > 100 miles away. I slowed down to 70 so the thermal bumps couldn't
> > damage anything and let the roller coaster take me up and down.
> >
> > From Minden, I flew northwest to Klamath Falls, then over Crater Lake,
> > then into the middle of Oregon. Across to the coast for a bit, then up
> > the Columbia River Gorge at 6500-7000' early in the morning when there
> > was still no wind. From the Gorge, I flew northeast to Coeur d'Alene,
> > Idaho. An Early morning takeoff didn't work because there were low
> > clouds in the mountain valleys to the east so I landed and waited. By
> > almost noon, the weather was better and I followed I-90 to near the
> > Flathead valley then went North to Kalispell where the motels are right
> > by the Downtown Airport - I tied the plane down by my motel.
> >
> > After a few days in Glacier National Park by rental car, I flew around
> > the park's south side, then along its east side up to the Canadian
> > border. Then I followed a straight line across the Great Plains back to
> > Iowa city (with some wiggling around to avoid weather).
> >
> > What a Trip!
> >
> > From Peoria, I flew down to Lakeland, Florida, for Sun-N-Fun, stopping
> > for an overnight at Chattanooga, TN, with relatives.
> >
> > Overall, I'd observe that with rudder pedals, my knees didn't like long
> > cross country trips too much - on cross countries, I wished I didn't
> > have those pesky pedals. Also, that my Coupe did adequately in the
> > mountains, flying solo at about 1350 lb., with a climb prop.
> >
> > I do miss my Coupe a lot. When I sold it to John Wright, Jr., I hoped
> > it'd get fixed up. Two guys from my own airport bought it and paid for
> > some major restoration done by John. You other pretty airplane
> > contenders had better polish well - this plane will be good competition
> > at Nationals next summer.
> >
> > I'd better get busier on building my Challenger so I can get back in the
> > air. It only will cruise about 75 but I still want to take it all over
> > the country. I'll just be lower and slower.
> >
> > Ed Burkhead
> > http://edburkhead.com/
> > ed -at- edburkheadQQQ.com (change -at- and remove the QQQ)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[email protected]
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>Hi Glen,
>
>Once in awhile a pair of pretzel yokes turn up on Ebay, but harder to find
>are the plastic center caps (halves) that are in good shape. Even the new old
>stock parts that show up from time to time are warped pretty bad so that the
>halves don't fit together nicely. About 4 years ago, Joa Harrison made a few sets
>on a CNC machine out of hardwood. The end result was beautful. I spoke with
>him about 2 years ago and he didn't have any left nor the means to make more.
>Somebody once told me that the pretzel yokes used on the coupe were used on
>other aircraft from the late forties... anyone know for sure?
>
>Best,
>
>Andy Pomeroy
>2417H in Arlington, WA
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: Jan E Zanutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
[email protected]
>Reply-To: Jan E Zanutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] colorado springs
>
>Who was flying their coupe at the Colorado Springs (COS) airport
>yesterday?
>
>
>Jan Zanutto
>Fresno, CA
>
>----------------------------
>From: "James Lilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: "James Lilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re-Sloshing old tanks?
>
>Is it possible to slosh a fuel tank that had been sloshed some time ago? Also, is there a set procedure for sloshing tanks, or is it just a matter of pouring the stuff into the tank and swirling it around and pouring it out? Thanks in advance.
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: William R. Bayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: COUPERS-FLYIN <
[email protected]>
>Reply-To: William R. Bayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re-Sloshing old tanks?
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>On Oct 16, 2004, at 12:57 PM, James Lilly wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to slosh a fuel tank that had been sloshed some time
> > ago?
>
>Yes, all of our tanks were sloshed before installation; and most since.
>
> > Also, is there a set procedure for sloshing tanks, or is it just a
> > matter of pouring the stuff into the tank and swirling it around and
> > pouring it out?
>
>Yes, see ESM-33.
>
>Generally you must drain and remove the tank(s), remove ALL of the
>earlier sloshing compound, and re-slosh. Specifically they say
>"thoroughly cleanse and decontaminate...either by use of steam line
>(for approximately 2 hours) or by hot water rinse followed by blowing
>out with air and rinsing with 2 quarts of carbon tetrochloride.
>
>That was based on several assumptions that are probably inappropriate
>today. Few of us have a "steam line" or any way to subject the
>interior of the tank to such influence for two hours safely. A number
>of sloshing compounds have been formulated, sold and used over the
>years that I doubt a "hot water rinse" would remove. Carbon
>tetrachloride is nasty stuff dangerous to work with (if you can still
>get it). MEK would do the job, but similarly toxic.
>
>First, mark known leakage areas with a bit of paint. I prefer a
>48-hour soak with 5 gallons of Acetone "right side up, followed by
>another 48 hours inverted, then shaken and drained. You can use the
>same five gallons in all three tanks, rinsed each afterward with
>another single "fresh" gallon of Acetone.
>
>Then drill out and replace any loose rivets. They call for a 50-50
>mixture of 3M EC570 and ethly-dichloride for sloshing. This
>formulation is NOT up to containing today's fuels (autogas, which may
>contain methanol alcohol, or 100 LL which can match the specification
>for paint thinner!). Aircraft Spruce carries a MIL-L-6047 sealer,
>Randolph #802, for $18.65 a quart. They also have Randolph #912, a
>"superior product" for fuel tanks that is more alcohol resistant for
>$19.65. Figure about a pint per tank poured in so it falls in a seam,
>and then rotate the tank so that all seam areas get covered by the
>solution. (I would say twice).
>
>It is not necessary OR DESIRABLE (emphasis added) to cover the
>remaining surfaces of the tank with the solution. Pour out the excess
>and allow to dry for 72 hours. Close openings and apply air pressure
>not to exceed 1-3/4 lbs. to the interior either by immersion or use of
>a soapy water solution around all seams.
>
>Regards,
>
> William R. Bayne
><____|-(o)-|____>
>(Copyright 2004)
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: William R. Bayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: COUPERS-FLYIN <
[email protected]>
>Reply-To: William R. Bayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>The Ercoupe "pretzel" wheels were made by the Decker company. I seem
>to recollect that Erco bought 10,000 of them in 1945 to get the best
>price, so Univair still has them in their catalog 2004. 415-52055-6 is
>the wheel ($30.57 ea.) and 52055-c is the Hub Cover ($49.15).
>
>I found the slick, rounded surface terrible for precise, predictable
>input response; and the velcro mount PPT switch is not stable unless
>you wrap some adhesive tape around the aheel where you wrap the velcro.
> If wrapped neatly and securely with leather or painted with wing walk
>paint, you can retain the general "look and feel" and make them more
>functional.
>
>The same wheels were used on some Cessnas, and possibly other aircraft
>of the period.
>
>Regards,
>
> William R. Bayne
><____|-(o)-|____>
>(Copyright 2004)
>
>--
>
>On Oct 16, 2004, at 12:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following
> > any advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Glen,
> >
> > Once in awhile a pair of pretzel yokes turn up on Ebay, but harder to
> > find are the plastic center caps (halves) that are in good shape. Even
> > the new old stock parts that show up from time to time are warped
> > pretty bad so that the halves don't fit together nicely. About 4 years
> > ago, Joa Harrison made a few sets on a CNC machine out of hardwood.
> > The end result was beautful. I spoke with him about 2 years ago and he
> > didn't have any left nor the means to make more. Somebody once told me
> > that the pretzel yokes used on the coupe were used on other aircraft
> > from the late forties... anyone know for sure?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Andy Pomeroy
> > 2417H in Arlington, WA
> > =======================================================================
> > =======
> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: "A J DeMarzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "William R. Bayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"COUPERS-FLYIN" <
[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "A J DeMarzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re-Sloshing old tanks?
>
>That was great Bill, thanks. It'll go in my maintenance file to use in the
>future.
>Al
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "William R. Bayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "COUPERS-FLYIN" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re-Sloshing old tanks?
>
>
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any
>advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2004, at 12:57 PM, James Lilly wrote:
> >
> > > Is it possible to slosh a fuel tank that had been sloshed some time
> > > ago?
> >
> > Yes, all of our tanks were sloshed before installation; and most since.
> >
> > > Also, is there a set procedure for sloshing tanks, or is it just a
> > > matter of pouring the stuff into the tank and swirling it around and
> > > pouring it out?
> >
> > Yes, see ESM-33.
> >
> > Generally you must drain and remove the tank(s), remove ALL of the
> > earlier sloshing compound, and re-slosh. Specifically they say
> > "thoroughly cleanse and decontaminate...either by use of steam line
> > (for approximately 2 hours) or by hot water rinse followed by blowing
> > out with air and rinsing with 2 quarts of carbon tetrochloride.
> >
> > That was based on several assumptions that are probably inappropriate
> > today. Few of us have a "steam line" or any way to subject the
> > interior of the tank to such influence for two hours safely. A number
> > of sloshing compounds have been formulated, sold and used over the
> > years that I doubt a "hot water rinse" would remove. Carbon
> > tetrachloride is nasty stuff dangerous to work with (if you can still
> > get it). MEK would do the job, but similarly toxic.
> >
> > First, mark known leakage areas with a bit of paint. I prefer a
> > 48-hour soak with 5 gallons of Acetone "right side up, followed by
> > another 48 hours inverted, then shaken and drained. You can use the
> > same five gallons in all three tanks, rinsed each afterward with
> > another single "fresh" gallon of Acetone.
> >
> > Then drill out and replace any loose rivets. They call for a 50-50
> > mixture of 3M EC570 and ethly-dichloride for sloshing. This
> > formulation is NOT up to containing today's fuels (autogas, which may
> > contain methanol alcohol, or 100 LL which can match the specification
> > for paint thinner!). Aircraft Spruce carries a MIL-L-6047 sealer,
> > Randolph #802, for $18.65 a quart. They also have Randolph #912, a
> > "superior product" for fuel tanks that is more alcohol resistant for
> > $19.65. Figure about a pint per tank poured in so it falls in a seam,
> > and then rotate the tank so that all seam areas get covered by the
> > solution. (I would say twice).
> >
> > It is not necessary OR DESIRABLE (emphasis added) to cover the
> > remaining surfaces of the tank with the solution. Pour out the excess
> > and allow to dry for 72 hours. Close openings and apply air pressure
> > not to exceed 1-3/4 lbs. to the interior either by immersion or use of
> > a soapy water solution around all seams.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > William R. Bayne
> > <____|-(o)-|____>
> > (Copyright 2004)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>============================================================================
>==
> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[email protected]
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
>Glen Davis CFII
>Grumman Tiger N70GD
>1946 Ercoupe N3103H
> |-----|
>_________(*)_________
> o o o
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
[email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>
>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]----
>
>
>
> Hi Glen,
>
> Once in awhile a pair of pretzel yokes turn up on Ebay, but harder to find are the plastic center caps (halves) that are in good shape. Even the new old stock parts that show up from time to time are warped pretty bad so that the halves don't fit together nicely. About 4 years ago, Joa Harrison made a few sets on a CNC machine out of hardwood. The end result was beautful. I spoke with him about 2 years ago and he didn't have any left nor the means to make more. Somebody once told me that the pretzel yokes used on the coupe were used on other aircraft from the late forties... anyone know for sure?
>
> Best,
>
> Andy Pomeroy
> 2417H in Arlington, WA
>==============================================================================
>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
>Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>From: "Tim and Martha Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<
[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Tim and Martha Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>FYI
>
>There is a Taylorcraft down at Brown Field here in San Diego that has
>identical "pretzel yokes". The center cap has a Taylorcraft logo.
>
>Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>
>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any
>advice in this forum.]----
>
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
> Glen Davis CFII
> Grumman Tiger N70GD
> 1946 Ercoupe N3103H
> |-----|
> _________(*)_________
> o o o
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
[email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Yokes
>
>
>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any
>advice in this forum.]----
>
>
>Hi Glen,
>
> Once in awhile a pair of pretzel yokes turn up on Ebay, but harder to
>find are the plastic center caps (halves) that are in good shape. Even the
>new old stock parts that show up from time to time are warped pretty bad so
>that the halves don't fit together nicely. About 4 years ago, Joa Harrison
>made a few sets on a CNC machine out of hardwood. The end result was
>beautful. I spoke with him about 2 years ago and he didn't have any left nor
>the means to make more. Somebody once told me that the pretzel yokes used on
>the coupe were used on other aircraft from the late forties... anyone know
>for sure?
>
> Best,
>
> Andy Pomeroy
> 2417H in Arlington, WA
>============================================================================
>==
>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
>Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
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