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John, the problem has always been exactly as you state. Get someone" Now" that can properly show the safe way to hand start. If done right, it is perfectly safe, but the danger in hand propping is when it has never been a natural method for the owner. Like I had said , I had been fortunate to have that Lady Instructor show me the way to safely hand prop. I too had thought that I was knowledgeable back then, but this instructor knew much more than I, and I was willing to learn from another person. And yes I have heard of inexperienced people getting hurt this way, it still happens, usually to a pilot that has always used the electric starter. When the starter fails and you just have to get home again, that is when injuries occur. "get home itis sets in" and all normal caution get put aside when the adrenaline rises as does one's false pride.
LIKE EVERYTHING IN FLYING, LEARN FIRST THEN PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
Much better to have the knowledge and to be comfortable starting up this way. Who's to say the day won't come when it may save your life far out in the boonies.
One other thing comes to mind and that is "without fail, tie the plane down securely prior to trying a hand start. Some years back there was a brand new smart ass instructor fellow at our field that didn't bother to secure his 150hp Citabria and yes he propped it with full throttle after having flooding the engine. It got away from him and wiped out 5 other nice aircraft. Now that was expensive.
Ron Hynes
From: John Silberman
Date: 02/21/06 06:14:33
To: Ron Hynes
Subject: If you've never propped a plane before? STOP! Before you decide to hand prop your plane, if you've never done
this or are a little shakey, PLEASE get a knowledgeable person to
teach you, on site and on your plane, how to do it correctly. One
does not just walk up to the prop and give it a twist. Sorry, but I've
seen the bad results and had to post.
jsilberman
On Feb 21, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Ron Hynes wrote:
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> What temperature outside ? What startup procedure ? Did you flood the
> engine with too much prime? Did you use any prime ? What type Carb,
> MS or Stromberg ? I am so accustomed to propping by hand that I
> easily can tell if cylinders are dry or wet with fuel. I use a
> couple of shots of prime and with the ignition STILL OFF, I turn the
> prop by hand through 4 revolutions only and then switch ON and
> start. [ But I am used to hand propping any small engine ] If I
> can't get it going right then and there, then SWITCH OFF and turn the
> prop backwards 10 or 20 times to clear excess fuel from cylinders.
> Then try another start with starter or by hand. I don't like starters
> when engines are cold. I prefer to "feel" the engine.
> Remember to have your fire extinguisher close by. Go easy on the
> primer volume.[usually the first primer shot is only air so that means
> I pump the primer once to clear the air and twice to squirt fuel into
> the engine.]
>
> A long bunch of years ago when I was buying a Cub from a real Special
> Lady flight instructer by the name of Landen Stores down in New Haven
> Conn. she warned me to always count to 4 every time I would swing the
> prop. and to keep my other hand behind my back. I still hear her
> strict words and have never ever touched a prop without heeding her
> wise words. No broken bones to this date so far. Thanks Landen, You
> are a darn good teacher and a terrific pilot. [ And Landen, if you
> read this, I owe you an apology for selling that beautiful Cub back
> then ]
>
> Ron Hynes
> Alberta, Western Canada
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: David Douglas Winters
> Date: 02/20/06 20:42:30
> To: 'James B. Brennan'; 'Ron Hynes'
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: cold wx starts
>
>
> I went out to do a 200 mile x-country Sat morn. Cold day. Van
> battery (outside) was flat. Auto in warm garage started, though.
>
>
>
> Went to airfield. Plane would not start. Battery OK. Air temp well
> below freezing. No hangar. Kept grinding on starter til battery
> started to fail.
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>
>
> No Joy, so, we scrubbed the trip.
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>
> Real disappointment. Wife got that So what did you expect? look.
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> Anybody got suggestions on how to start a coupe in the cold? (and
> save my reputation/marriage)
>
>
>
> Dave Winters
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> 2797H
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James B. Brennan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:44 PM
> To: Ron Hynes
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] gas
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>
>
> Call it GREED, Call it THEFT. It sure as hell isn't concern for your
> neighbor is it ? It is "life" today everywhere.
>
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> From:
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> Sydney Cohen
> Date: 02/18/06 17:29:03
> To: ken carnahan
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] gas
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> Here in Wausau, WI it is $3.80 a gallon, but 18 miles north, in
> Merrill,
> WI it's 2.95. Go figure.
>
> Sid
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>
>
> Get over it! It's microeconomics, not greed or theft. Then, Wausau,
> being a relatively large city in the Wisconsin hinterlands, may have
> one of those fancy FBOs. (I went into Albany, NY on a student cross
> country years ago and was blown away by the Signature FBO -- talk
> about gold plated!) Merrill is a little burg and, like the other
> fellow said, perhaps he had somewhat older gas to sell at an older
> price, and at a smaller field. In Southern New England, the price
> ranges from hideous to insulting. I'd lay the "GREED" and "THEFT"
> terms on the oil companies who, immediately after Katrina slapped
> about a buck onto their price for gas that literally was already in
> the pipeline and/or still in refinery tanks before the storm
> (obviously scheduled for the old prices). [You DID hear of the profits
> the oily boys have been making??] That was a demonic sin. Our tiny
> part of their output is naturally going to reflect the "GREED" and
> "THEFT" of the oil companies in aggregate and shouldn't be pinned on
> individual retailers. While I'm not keen on $3- $4 100 Lotsa-Lead, I
> am grateful that the oily boys still bother to service us, as we are
> hardly more than a nuisance in their big picture (which I believe
> includes phasing out avgas anyway). I think it is not fair to lay it
> on the small FBOs.
>
> Beach
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