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Calm yourself, Mitch. I did not receive a "PLEASE MAIL THIS TO...." e-mail nor did I suggest that any Couper do so. I use WIN XP and have been considering purchase of VISTA. I received the info in an e-mail from an old friend who has no ax to grind in the matter (he didn't write it), and thought it might be of interest to other Coupers. It was. I cannot agree with or disagree with your remarks, since I am not a computer expert. However, even though I don't personally know the writer of the material in question, I consider your own intemperate rantings,e.g., "CRAZY RANTS/NONSENSE LUNATIC RANTINGS/the writer is an idiot",etc. to be off base, and possibly influenced by your employment by MICROSOFT. DON > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:16:25 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] WINDOWS VISTA - caution> > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]----> > > I was going to stay out of this....really I > was...it's just too > silly...and total BS. Ed Burkhead did a very good job > of debunking the > worst of the misinformation so I will try not to repeat > what he has > pointed out.> > > _FIRST and FOREMOST_> > If you use email for > any length of time you are going to get email > includes with the phase > “PLEASE EMAIL THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ....”> > > This is the first sign that > everything you just read is total BS. The > goal of this type email is to see > how far and how fast it can spread, > it's like a virus, but contains no > malicious code...who needs a virus to > spread the crazy rants when you can > just add the phrase “PLEASE EMAIL > THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ....”> > > > _NEXT...._> > > “ With 512MB because the vista version on the computer is an > abbreviated > version called BASIC...”> > > Is it a bad thing that there is a > version that will run on systems that > only have 512mb of RAM? Or that there > are other version(s) with more > features that require more RAM? I play a lot > with LINUX too, and one of > the things that the LINUX community LOVES about > LINUX is that there are > distributions that are geared towards systems with > less RAM and slower > processors, and there are distros and features that can > take advantage > of all of the hardware you can throw at them. Choice, it's a > good thing.> > If you don't want or need the features in VISTA that need more > RAM, then > you have the choice to use Vista Home Basic and stick with 512mb. > My > wife runs Vista Ultimate on her laptop ( last years Compaq Presario > > R4000) with 768mb and it runs great. Personally, I've always preferred > 1gb > (or more) even with XP, or Linux> > > Guess what...that new Blu-Ray or HD-DVD > movie will not play in last > years DVD player either....guess they should be > condemned.> > > _BOGUS ALERT!..._> > > “print drivers will only be upgrade by > each printer mfg going back 18 > months so if your printer is Older than > that, you will have to purchase > a new printer “> > > Whoever wrote this has > not looked at the extensive list of printer > drivers that have shipped with > Vista. My 10+ year old HP LaserJet 4 > works great, and there are many, many > models of out of production > printers that will still work with Vista. Now > there are “entities” out > there that want and really need for you to buy a > new printer....it's > your printer manufacturer, not Microsoft. There are > also many printers > that are not supported by Linux or MAC OSX, no > difference here. You know > what? In many cases, if you are using inkjet > printers, the ink > cartridges in the printer cost as much or more than the > printer. If this > applies to your printer, next time you run low on ink, > replace the > printer with one that is supported by the OS of your choice.> > > > _Lol...NEWBIE ALERT....._> > “If your new computer comes with vista > ......... all the chips and video > cards, sound cards etc will only work > with Vista installed so that Is > definetly not an option..”> > > Total BS, I > don't know of a single piece of hardware that is only > supported under > Vista. If you are a hardware manufacturer, why would you > build hardware > that ONLY worked on the NEW operating system that is just > hitting the > street? IT will NOT HAPPEN. Someday when Vista and it's > later derivatives > have enough desktops to justify it, some vendors will > no longer write > drivers to support XP...but that day is a LOONNNGGG way > off. Your current > hardware will likely be thrown out before that.> > > _NONSENSE, LUNITIC > RANTINGS..._> > > “THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS INFO BEFORE PURCHASING > PRODUCTS THAT WILL > CONTROL THEM AS VISTA IS DOING.... THIS IS INSANITY THAT > THE COMPANIES > CAN HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER US.”> > > Obviously you are > in control here, he even mentions different versions > of Vista with > different HW requirements...you choose based on your > needs...or you may > stay on XP...or you may select another platform > and/or OS completely. I'd > say the guy is an idiot, but I am sure even he > does not believe his > rantings, it's just his attempt at social > engineering. Trust me...upgrading > to Vista does not mean that you have > been assimilated. :-)> > > _WAY TOO > SILLY TO COMMENT ON...._> > So I will...> > ”So I guess we all have to dig > deep in our pockets this next year to > Upgrade everything we own to Vistas > specifications... Thank you very > much bill gates, your jerk”> > I'm sure > that when the new Nintendo or Wii shipped , this guy didn't > call the > founders of those companies jerks....He's calling BillG a jerk > because new > technology was developed...silly, childish nonsense. He > doesn't “HAVE” to > buy anything..it's his choice. There may be many > reasons someone wants to > call BillG a jerk...but come on, releasing new > software is the least one of > all.> > > Now it would not be fair for me to post this and not admit my > biases. I > do use XP and Vista, and I also have Linux running on at least 3 > > machines at home ( we're a family of computer nerds I guess, with at > > least 9 systems...most running 24x7). And I'd love to have a Mac-Mini , > I > should probably scour over Ebay. But I am a long time (nearly 12 years > now) > employee of Microsoft. That means that you can and should take all > my > comments with a grain of salt, think for yourself. Even if you > disagree > with nearly everything I have said....please consider the most > important > point...the first point I made. When you see ““PLEASE EMAIL > THIS TO ANYONE > YOU KNOW ....” in any piece of email, regardless of the > topic. Just say > NO...until you have verified the facts...and even then, > sleep on it > first...I did.> > > Regards,> > > Mitch> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles Waldo wrote:> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm > before following any advice in this forum.]----> >> >> > > > Ed> > I could > not have said it better myself. I have been working in the > > computer > industry for 20 plus years and you where right on (as usual)....> > Chuck> > > N94191> >> > */Ed Burkhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:> >> > ----[Please > read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this > forum.]---- > >> > Don,> > Thanks for posting that message on FLYIN. (The > right place for> > such a discussion.) This is important to all of our > computer-using> > community.> > I think about 2/3rds of the points in the > message are bunk or> > hoaxes but some of those points have some validity.> > > Me, I’m not planning to upgrade any of my current computers to> > Vista. > Heck, only my best one could even handle it at all and I’d> > need a couple > of upgrades on that.> > I think XP will keep me happy for quite a while. > Comments> > interspersed below.> > Don’s friend wrote:> > Ok, here is the > vista update as many of you are writing to me with> > suggestions...> > 1) as > of January 30th all computers with XP were ordered back to> > manfg to get > Vista on them> > I think he must have meant the new computers in the stores.> > > Indeed, many manufacturers keep selling with the old operating> > system > for years because knowledgeable buyers often won’t buy a> > new operating > system in the first year it’s out. */Very/* few> > businesses will change > their computers over to the new operating> > system in that first year.> > XP > has tome time left to go.> > 2) I took my vista computer back to Walmart as > did many other> > customers, we were told that> > Since the machine was > basically working they would not take them> > back and they had no> > More > computers with XP on them> > Apparently, this guy was dissatisfied with his > cheapie machine> > loaded down with a heavy operating system and way too > little RAM> > memory. Perhaps it would have been fine with a bunch more RAM.> > > Whenever you are short on RAM, your computer will be a dog. This> > affects > performance more than speed, in my experience.> > I got bit by this when I > upgraded my laptop and my daughter’s> > computer to XP Home. The memory on > both those computers is> > insufficient for XP which really needs 512 MB RAM. > My laptop is> > limited by its hardware to 256 (and it’s full) and my > daughter’s> > computer had an old motherboard which was limited to 196 MB. > They> > run pretty well after they finish loading but it takes forever to> > > load XP Home and for it to settle down ready to run.> > With XP, 512 isn’t > bad but it’s happier with 1 GB. With Vista, I’d> > at least double those > numbers.> > If you buy a computer with Vista, you can go out and buy a> > > consumer copy of XP and I’d be mighty surprised if you had any> > problems > running XP on your new machine – at least for quite a> > while. Remember, > 99.9% of all computers out there are running XP> > or something older.> > If > you are buying a new computer and want XP, I’d buy from a> > vendor that > offers it with a choice of operating system.> > 3) called emachine and they > are not allowed to sell or put XP on> > anymore machines after Jan 30^th> > > That’d be a strange contract with Microsoft. That’s what happens> > when you > go with a bottom feeder manufacturer.> > 4) even though Microsoft says a > minimum of 1GB RAM, eMachine> > (Gateway) can sell the computer> > With 512MB > because the vista version on the computer is an> > abbrviated version called > BASIC and I would have> > To pay $239.00 more for the PREMIUM VERSION or > $399.00 more for> > the ULTIMATE VERSION.> > When you buy a computer with an > operating system already> > installed, you’re usually getting Windows at a > reduced OEM price –> > sometimes a really reduced price. But that’s true too > if you buy> > the computer from a company that offers options for the > operating> > system.> > If you buy from a consumer vendor that only sells > Vista (at the> > discount price), you’ll have to pay full consumer price to > get one> > of the better Vista options.> > 5) print drivers will only be > upgrade by each printer mfg going> > back 18 months so if your printer is> > > Older than that, you will have to purchase a new printer to work> > on > Vista.> > This might be a real bite for some Vista buyers. I have an older> > > wide carriage photo printer that works perfectly and I’m not> > planning to > replace it in the near (couple of years) future.> > But my scanner has driver > problems with XP because it’s too old.> > It does work with the XP built in > scanning functions, but not with> > as nice of software as came with it, > originally.> > 6) digital camera users will have to go thru the same thing> > > waiting for new drivers to become available> > From your camera mfg.. And > depending on the camera, mine is two> > years old and will not get new> > > Drivers so I will have to replace my camera> > This may be one of the least > important worries. Unless you have a> > /really/ old camera or a /really/ > cheap one, you have a memory> > card. Just put your card into the new > computer’s card reader and> > it’s treated like a hard drive – just copy the > pictures up to your> > real hard drive then clean off the card. Be happy.> > > True, some image manipulating software may not run on future> > computers. > This is mostly only a problem for hyper-perfectionists> > who shoot in RAW > format. RAW format needs special software to be> > understood, edited and > converted. If you get to the point where> > you can’t get conversion > software, you may loose the use of old> > formats which are in a camera’s RAW > format or any proprietary> > format. (I’m still looking for software to > convert some of my very> > old Kodak DCS proprietary format pictures.) Files > in JPEG (.jpg)> > format should be safe for the long term.> > 7) getting thru > to any of the tech supports for any computer> > related product is almost > impossible I am> > So frustrated about holding two and 1/2 hours only to get > hung up> > on....> > You pay for tech support with every purchase. If you buy > cheap,> > you’re buying cheap or no tech support, says the guy who has done> > > years of computer manufacturer call-in tech support. I recommend> > > pre-made computers from companies who get good ratings for their> > tech > support. (Sorry, I haven’t been watching the ratings in the> > last few years > – I assemble my own from parts now-a-days.)> > And lastly, if your new > computer comes with vista you cannot> > format it and use a copy of XP> > > Because all the chips and video cards, sound cards etc will only> > work with > Vista installed so that> > Is definetly not an option... So I guess we all > have to dig deep> > in our pockets this next year to> > Upgrade everything we > own to Vistas specifications... Thankyou> > very much bill gates, your jerk> > > This, I think, is mostly bunk. It’s possible that some> > manufacturer will > include some parts that won’t be supported with> > XP. These will be either > bottom-feeder companies or good companies> > where you have an operating > system choice and you */choose/* a> > Vista optimized machine. I think it’ll > be a while before this> > becomes a real problem.> > But, if you buy factory > made, buy it with the operating system you> > want and make sure it works > with any essential accessories before> > you buy. If you buy from a computer > integrator local company, be> > sure you pick a competent one and be sure > you’re not buying the> > first build of any package.> > For now, you get what > you pay for. If you buy cheap, you get cheap.> > Ed> >> > > ============================================================================== > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > >> >> > > ==============================================================================> > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm> > > > > ==============================================================================> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm ============================================================================== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
