Calm yourself, Mitch. I did not receive a "PLEASE MAIL THIS TO...."
e-mail nor did I suggest that any Couper do so. I use WIN XP and have
been considering purchase of VISTA. I received the info in an e-mail
from an old friend who has no ax to grind in the matter (he didn't
write it), and thought it might be of interest to other Coupers. It
was. I cannot agree with or disagree with your remarks, since I am not
a computer expert. However, even though I don't personally know the
writer of the material in question, I consider your own intemperate
rantings,e.g., "CRAZY RANTS/NONSENSE LUNATIC RANTINGS/the writer is an
idiot",etc. to be off base, and possibly influenced by your employment
by MICROSOFT. DON
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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:16:25 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] WINDOWS VISTA - caution
>
> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before
following any advice in this forum.]----
>
>
> I was going to stay out of this....really I was...it's just too
> silly...and total BS. Ed Burkhead did a very good job of debunking the
> worst of the misinformation so I will try not to repeat what he has
> pointed out.
>
>
> _FIRST and FOREMOST_
>
> If you use email for any length of time you are going to get email
> includes with the phase "PLEASE EMAIL THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ...."
>
>
> This is the first sign that everything you just read is total BS. The
> goal of this type email is to see how far and how fast it can spread,
> it's like a virus, but contains no malicious code...who needs a
virus to
> spread the crazy rants when you can just add the phrase "PLEASE EMAIL
> THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ...."
>
>
> _NEXT...._
>
>
> " With 512MB because the vista version on the computer is an
abbreviated
> version called BASIC..."
>
>
> Is it a bad thing that there is a version that will run on systems that
> only have 512mb of RAM? Or that there are other version(s) with more
> features that require more RAM? I play a lot with LINUX too, and one of
> the things that the LINUX community LOVES about LINUX is that there are
> distributions that are geared towards systems with less RAM and slower
> processors, and there are distros and features that can take advantage
> of all of the hardware you can throw at them. Choice, it's a good thing.
>
> If you don't want or need the features in VISTA that need more RAM,
then
> you have the choice to use Vista Home Basic and stick with 512mb. My
> wife runs Vista Ultimate on her laptop ( last years Compaq Presario
> R4000) with 768mb and it runs great. Personally, I've always preferred
> 1gb (or more) even with XP, or Linux
>
>
> Guess what...that new Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movie will not play in last
> years DVD player either....guess they should be condemned.
>
>
> _BOGUS ALERT!..._
>
>
> "print drivers will only be upgrade by each printer mfg going back 18
> months so if your printer is Older than that, you will have to purchase
> a new printer "
>
>
> Whoever wrote this has not looked at the extensive list of printer
> drivers that have shipped with Vista. My 10+ year old HP LaserJet 4
> works great, and there are many, many models of out of production
> printers that will still work with Vista. Now there are "entities" out
> there that want and really need for you to buy a new printer....it's
> your printer manufacturer, not Microsoft. There are also many printers
> that are not supported by Linux or MAC OSX, no difference here. You
know
> what? In many cases, if you are using inkjet printers, the ink
> cartridges in the printer cost as much or more than the printer. If
this
> applies to your printer, next time you run low on ink, replace the
> printer with one that is supported by the OS of your choice.
>
>
> _Lol...NEWBIE ALERT....._
>
> "If your new computer comes with vista ......... all the chips and
video
> cards, sound cards etc will only work with Vista installed so that Is
> definetly not an option.."
>
>
> Total BS, I don't know of a single piece of hardware that is only
> supported under Vista. If you are a hardware manufacturer, why would
you
> build hardware that ONLY worked on the NEW operating system that is
just
> hitting the street? IT will NOT HAPPEN. Someday when Vista and it's
> later derivatives have enough desktops to justify it, some vendors will
> no longer write drivers to support XP...but that day is a LOONNNGGG way
> off. Your current hardware will likely be thrown out before that.
>
>
> _NONSENSE, LUNITIC RANTINGS..._
>
>
> "THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS INFO BEFORE PURCHASING PRODUCTS THAT WILL
> CONTROL THEM AS VISTA IS DOING.... THIS IS INSANITY THAT THE COMPANIES
> CAN HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER US."
>
>
> Obviously you are in control here, he even mentions different versions
> of Vista with different HW requirements...you choose based on your
> needs...or you may stay on XP...or you may select another platform
> and/or OS completely. I'd say the guy is an idiot, but I am sure
even he
> does not believe his rantings, it's just his attempt at social
> engineering. Trust me...upgrading to Vista does not mean that you have
> been assimilated. :-)
>
>
> _WAY TOO SILLY TO COMMENT ON...._
>
> So I will...
>
> "So I guess we all have to dig deep in our pockets this next year to
> Upgrade everything we own to Vistas specifications... Thank you very
> much bill gates, your jerk"
>
> I'm sure that when the new Nintendo or Wii shipped , this guy didn't
> call the founders of those companies jerks....He's calling BillG a jerk
> because new technology was developed...silly, childish nonsense. He
> doesn't "HAVE" to buy anything..it's his choice. There may be many
> reasons someone wants to call BillG a jerk...but come on, releasing new
> software is the least one of all.
>
>
> Now it would not be fair for me to post this and not admit my biases. I
> do use XP and Vista, and I also have Linux running on at least 3
> machines at home ( we're a family of computer nerds I guess, with at
> least 9 systems...most running 24x7). And I'd love to have a Mac-Mini ,
> I should probably scour over Ebay. But I am a long time (nearly 12
years
> now) employee of Microsoft. That means that you can and should take all
> my comments with a grain of salt, think for yourself. Even if you
> disagree with nearly everything I have said....please consider the most
> important point...the first point I made. When you see ""PLEASE EMAIL
> THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ...." in any piece of email, regardless of the
> topic. Just say NO...until you have verified the facts...and even then,
> sleep on it first...I did.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Charles Waldo wrote:
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before
following any advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> > I could not have said it better myself. I have been working in the
> > computer industry for 20 plus years and you where right on (as
usual)....
> > Chuck
> > N94191
> >
> > */Ed Burkhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before
following any advice in this forum.]----
> >
> > Don,
> > Thanks for posting that message on FLYIN. (The right place for
> > such a discussion.) This is important to all of our computer-using
> > community.
> > I think about 2/3rds of the points in the message are bunk or
> > hoaxes but some of those points have some validity.
> > Me, I'm not planning to upgrade any of my current computers to
> > Vista. Heck, only my best one could even handle it at all and I'd
> > need a couple of upgrades on that.
> > I think XP will keep me happy for quite a while. Comments
> > interspersed below.
> > Don's friend wrote:
> > Ok, here is the vista update as many of you are writing to me with
> > suggestions...
> > 1) as of January 30th all computers with XP were ordered back to
> > manfg to get Vista on them
> > I think he must have meant the new computers in the stores.
> > Indeed, many manufacturers keep selling with the old operating
> > system for years because knowledgeable buyers often won't buy a
> > new operating system in the first year it's out. */Very/* few
> > businesses will change their computers over to the new operating
> > system in that first year.
> > XP has tome time left to go.
> > 2) I took my vista computer back to Walmart as did many other
> > customers, we were told that
> > Since the machine was basically working they would not take them
> > back and they had no
> > More computers with XP on them
> > Apparently, this guy was dissatisfied with his cheapie machine
> > loaded down with a heavy operating system and way too little RAM
> > memory. Perhaps it would have been fine with a bunch more RAM.
> > Whenever you are short on RAM, your computer will be a dog. This
> > affects performance more than speed, in my experience.
> > I got bit by this when I upgraded my laptop and my daughter's
> > computer to XP Home. The memory on both those computers is
> > insufficient for XP which really needs 512 MB RAM. My laptop is
> > limited by its hardware to 256 (and it's full) and my daughter's
> > computer had an old motherboard which was limited to 196 MB. They
> > run pretty well after they finish loading but it takes forever to
> > load XP Home and for it to settle down ready to run.
> > With XP, 512 isn't bad but it's happier with 1 GB. With Vista, I'd
> > at least double those numbers.
> > If you buy a computer with Vista, you can go out and buy a
> > consumer copy of XP and I'd be mighty surprised if you had any
> > problems running XP on your new machine -- at least for quite a
> > while. Remember, 99.9% of all computers out there are running XP
> > or something older.
> > If you are buying a new computer and want XP, I'd buy from a
> > vendor that offers it with a choice of operating system.
> > 3) called emachine and they are not allowed to sell or put XP on
> > anymore machines after Jan 30^th
> > That'd be a strange contract with Microsoft. That's what happens
> > when you go with a bottom feeder manufacturer.
> > 4) even though Microsoft says a minimum of 1GB RAM, eMachine
> > (Gateway) can sell the computer
> > With 512MB because the vista version on the computer is an
> > abbrviated version called BASIC and I would have
> > To pay $239.00 more for the PREMIUM VERSION or $399.00 more for
> > the ULTIMATE VERSION.
> > When you buy a computer with an operating system already
> > installed, you're usually getting Windows at a reduced OEM price --
> > sometimes a really reduced price. But that's true too if you buy
> > the computer from a company that offers options for the operating
> > system.
> > If you buy from a consumer vendor that only sells Vista (at the
> > discount price), you'll have to pay full consumer price to get one
> > of the better Vista options.
> > 5) print drivers will only be upgrade by each printer mfg going
> > back 18 months so if your printer is
> > Older than that, you will have to purchase a new printer to work
> > on Vista.
> > This might be a real bite for some Vista buyers. I have an older
> > wide carriage photo printer that works perfectly and I'm not
> > planning to replace it in the near (couple of years) future.
> > But my scanner has driver problems with XP because it's too old.
> > It does work with the XP built in scanning functions, but not with
> > as nice of software as came with it, originally.
> > 6) digital camera users will have to go thru the same thing
> > waiting for new drivers to become available
> > From your camera mfg.. And depending on the camera, mine is two
> > years old and will not get new
> > Drivers so I will have to replace my camera
> > This may be one of the least important worries. Unless you have a
> > /really/ old camera or a /really/ cheap one, you have a memory
> > card. Just put your card into the new computer's card reader and
> > it's treated like a hard drive -- just copy the pictures up to your
> > real hard drive then clean off the card. Be happy.
> > True, some image manipulating software may not run on future
> > computers. This is mostly only a problem for hyper-perfectionists
> > who shoot in RAW format. RAW format needs special software to be
> > understood, edited and converted. If you get to the point where
> > you can't get conversion software, you may loose the use of old
> > formats which are in a camera's RAW format or any proprietary
> > format. (I'm still looking for software to convert some of my very
> > old Kodak DCS proprietary format pictures.) Files in JPEG (.jpg)
> > format should be safe for the long term.
> > 7) getting thru to any of the tech supports for any computer
> > related product is almost impossible I am
> > So frustrated about holding two and 1/2 hours only to get hung up
> > on....
> > You pay for tech support with every purchase. If you buy cheap,
> > you're buying cheap or no tech support, says the guy who has done
> > years of computer manufacturer call-in tech support. I recommend
> > pre-made computers from companies who get good ratings for their
> > tech support. (Sorry, I haven't been watching the ratings in the
> > last few years -- I assemble my own from parts now-a-days.)
> > And lastly, if your new computer comes with vista you cannot
> > format it and use a copy of XP
> > Because all the chips and video cards, sound cards etc will only
> > work with Vista installed so that
> > Is definetly not an option... So I guess we all have to dig deep
> > in our pockets this next year to
> > Upgrade everything we own to Vistas specifications... Thankyou
> > very much bill gates, your jerk
> > This, I think, is mostly bunk. It's possible that some
> > manufacturer will include some parts that won't be supported with
> > XP. These will be either bottom-feeder companies or good companies
> > where you have an operating system choice and you */choose/* a
> > Vista optimized machine. I think it'll be a while before this
> > becomes a real problem.
> > But, if you buy factory made, buy it with the operating system you
> > want and make sure it works with any essential accessories before
> > you buy. If you buy from a computer integrator local company, be
> > sure you pick a competent one and be sure you're not buying the
> > first build of any package.
> > For now, you get what you pay for. If you buy cheap, you get cheap.
> > Ed
> >
> >
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