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Well said, Ron. I never had any problem when I needed treatment in England and have a 92 year old brother in law who has never had any service denied. Sure waiting rooms were not so flash as they are here but once your problem is diagnosed you are treated and provided with the service that will make you better. I hear that there have been problems in the London area but I have never experienced it. The service here in the States would be much better if there was an end to all the Lawyers who are constantly preying on the greed of some members of the public who can be talked into seeking money for nothing. The doctors are wonderful but they are forced to take many unrealistic measures to keep from being sued. The malpractice insurance that most must carry has forced a number of wonderful doctors to leave this (St Louis) area because of the failure of Illinois to even attempt to curtail the ridiculous awards for mainly silly reasons. If the truth was known the doctors make nothing compared to the hospital chasing lawyers. I know there are many lawyers who will take offense at my statement but that is what I see and they will have to come up with the proof that it's not so. You and I both know they can't do it. I am the same age as you, I have Social Security and a small British pension and it is jolly hard to pay for my Medicare Supplement which is now running at just about $400.00 a month. Even with all of that I still have to pick up much that both Medicare and Blue Cross decide is not covered even though your Family Dr. has determined to be necessary. Chrissie --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Ron Hynes <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ron Hynes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [ercoupe-flyin] Social systems Was: Model C or D To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:18 PM My Health Care is paid by the Province of Alberta, just like everyone else here in Alberta Canada. Have had two operations so far at no cost to me. Both were provided promptly and very well performed. Oil and gas Revenues are used by our Provincial Government to cover the Health Plan. We have 100% of the people so covered, even new comers to Alberta [and all of Canada of course] . I have an excellant Doctor from the University of Alberta who is Chinese by birth. He is great for me and provides excellant contacts with Doctors in different Medical fields. I do a check-up every three months that include full blood testing as directed by him, plus a very complete Annual each Spring. Ever since Canada introduced Universal Health care my Family all across Canada has never even once had a reason to complain despite even the extreme and horrible car crash that some years back very nearly destroyed my son. In all these past years I have never ever even seen a simgle Bill from any Medical source. I have no idea of costs because I never see any Statements. Obviously, I have zero fear or anxiety of being financially destroyed by any Medical expenses because our System is right there, for me and everyone else across Canada. Many of the other Provinces impose a reasonable yearly charge for their own individual Health care Plan. However, Alberta is the Best Province in Canada to live , along with British Columbia next to us just West of us here. Our Universal Health Care System came into being mainly because of one man , a political leader in the Province of Saskatchewan by the name of Tommy Douglas. He is now one of the greatest Heros of Canada. When the IDEA began to spread across Canada initially, we had every bit as much controversy and screeming as is going on now in the US. Initially, In Saskatchewan Province, some Doctors even went on strike in an effort to stop the changeover. They soon saw the light. NO CANADIAN WOULD NOW ALLOW THE HEALTH SYSTEM HERE TO EVER BE DISCONTINUED. NO CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WOULD LAST BUT A FEW DAYS IF THEY EVER TRIED TO DISCONTINUE OUR SYSTEM, AND THEY WELL KNOW IT. The Provincial Government here in Alberta Canada has been in Power some 36 or 37 ? years now, and they are smart enough to tread lightly when it comes to our Universal Health care System. That is one reason they use gas and oil royalties to cover the total cost of the system. Another reason of course is they know which side their bread is buttered on. Possibly here in Canada the people drive the Government to a greater degree than in the US, and while corruption in all forms of Government is world wide, we here watch them quite closely. I will be 76 soon and have no fear of ever being turned down for medical treatment. Ron Hynes, Alberta, Western Canada -------Original Message------- From: Glenn Putnam Date: 07/25/09 07:58:00 To: heavensounds Cc: Chrissie Farthing; Caliendo Dan; [email protected] Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [ercoupe-flyin] Social systems Was: Model C or D why do we have this political c p on the coupe forum? On Jul 25, 2009, at 2:24 AM, heavensounds wrote: We should have some kind of health reform in the US. The problem is that doing so is in the hands of politicians (both parties) who ARE NOT primarily concerned with providing health care at lower cost to all. They are interested in three things, in order of priority: 1. Preserving themselves in power. 2. Giving more power to government (themselves) over every aspect of our lives. 3 . Advancing their ideology If you examine most legislation, you will find at it's core, it supports the three above. Our politicians (both parties) are masters of abuse and manipulation. They load legislation with totally unrelated issues in order to avoid open and fair discussion. Lately, instead of proposing a hate crimes bill by itself, and allowing it to be discussed in its merits, they attached it as part of a major defense spending authorization. Anybody voting against the hate crimes bill would be guilty of "not supporting the troops". Our rotten politicians hide traps inside 1,000 page legislation, which most of them approve without reading! The proposed health reform includes a provision prohibiting peopl e from changing from their current health plan unless it is to the government's plan. That's about power, control, and ideology, not about helping the indigent !!! If we had true "public servants" PERHAPS we could implement a health reform in the US, which truly improves coverage and affordabillity without adding too much to the debt and with minimal increase of government's power. That could only be created by a team of HONEST and BRIGHT minds, who TRULY CARE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE PEOPLE. That's exactly opposite to the description of our politicians! Our power hungry, self serving, abusive and deceitful politicians (both parties) will only create something that gives lip service to the concept of health reform, to increase their power, while hurting and enslaving people. May I propose: 1. Abolish the separate health care benefits the House and Senate enjoy. Now and in the future, they should have the very same options available to all citizens. 2. Strict term limits (2 max) for ALL elected positions, without exception, including House and Senate. How long do you leave the toilet without flushing?? We need to flush the toilet! 3. Make any and all lobbying illegal. That's just for starters. Best regards !! Eliacim ----- Original Message ----- From: Caliendo Dan To: Chrissie Farthing Cc: ercoupe-flyin@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [ercoupe-flyin] Social systems Was: Model C or D We'd end up with a much better system if we let patients & doctors from England, France, Canada, and United States design the syste m. Letting politicians, lawyers, pharmaceutical industryand insurance industry do it is not going to give you a good system. Believe it or not, the patients and doctors are on the same side with a few bad apples in each barrel. Dan c On Jul 24, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Chrissie Farthing wrote: I have listenend to both sides and you both have it wrong. I am English and I have lived in this country since 87 so I have lived under both systems. Both systems have their good points but I think the system in this country is much worse. No one in England is denied service. It may not be that you are not seen quite as quick as you are in the States but of course your immediate service here involves numerous tests to not help you but to cover the hospitals ass when one of the hospital chasing lawyers decides you and of course he, can get rich because of -- what ever he can dream up. By the time you finally get the treatment you need that guy in England has gone home after having the treatment that he needed and other than the terrible tax he pays for it he is well and does not have to worry about going into bankruptcy-. You have wonderful medicine,if you can afford it or if you have a wonderful LOL insurance company which will not reject everything at least once.-- So, go on, perhaps the Government will bail out the insurance companies or perhaps all the legal beagals that pray on our lives. &n bsp; As for me, I am older than dirt and I can afford to pay for my treatment but I am in the minority. Will your kids be so lucky? Chrissie Farthing On Fri, 7/24/09, Art Langston <n26...@bassace. com> wrote: From: Art Langston <n26...@bassace. com> Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [ercoupe-flyin] Social systems Was: Model C or D To: Cc: ercoupe-flyin@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:04 PM Well, very respectfully, If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I guess I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human suffering-ism. " It used to be that there some services and institutions like hospitals, the fire and police departments were so vital to our nation they were exempt from market pressures, and it wasn't called "socialism". When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield? The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism. Because medicine is for-profit we have things like "recision," where insurance companies hire lots of people to figure out ways to deny you coverage when you get sick, even though you've been paying into your plan for years. When I was a kid, if you broke your leg leg playing ball, your parents took you to the local Catholic hospital, the nun put a thermometer in your mouth, the doctor slapped some plaster on your ankle and you were done. The bill was $1.50, plus you got to keep the thermometer. Your folks didn't have to file bankruptcy or sell your house because you got hurt playing ball. Then, some Wall Street wizard decided that hospitals could be big business, so now they're run by bean counters in some corporate plaza. In the U.S. today, three giant for-profit conglomerates own close to 600 hospitals and other health care facilities. America's largest hospital chain, HCA, was founded by the family of Bill Frist, who perfectly represents the Republican attitude toward health care: it's not a right, it's a racket. The more people who get sick and need medicine, the higher their profit margins, so forget preventative care. But what can we expect in an age where war profiteering is no longer treated as a scandal and treasonous, but business as usual? Well, last comment from me. Time to end this and get back to Ercoupes. :-) Art N2666H ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links
