I need the collective experience and advice of the group to advise on  
the situation below, esp. from our A&Ps on the list. The $-amount of  
the charges isn't the main issue (everything is more expensive in  
SoCal.), but on the sequence of events, and whether charging for the  
second round was legitimate, or whether the problems should have been  
caught on the annual.  Please forgive the amount of detail and  
wordiness here, but I'm not sure what will be meaningful, so I'm  
including everything.  Something just doesn't seem quite right, but  
maybe it's my inexperience...

In mid-June, I flew my Ercoupe to El Monte & left it with the A&P for  
its annual while I went out of town.  On the flight to El Monte, I  
noticed the engine sounding rough, and on the run-up, the L mag had  
dropped noticeably more.  This was a new problem & I duly reported it  
to the A&P when I left it with him for annual.  He called me with the  
diagnosis that the L mag distributor block was cracked and should be  
replaced.   In all, he had it ~ 3 weeks, and was a day late getting  
it ready for me to pick up.

The labor items on that bill read:
"1.  Annual inspection
2. Oil Change & filter - Shell 100W Plus 4 Qts
3. Left mag drop - replaced #1 bottom lead, removed left mag -  
replaced block and gear & retimed both mags to correct timing.
4. Replaced air filter
5. Cleaned fuel filter
6. Installed vertical card compass & adj." (I had asked to get rid of  
the old leaking fluid-type.)

The total labor charged was 14.5 hrs. (of which he said about 10 hrs.  
is for the Annual), total labor charge = $1160.
The parts list included "oil filter $29.50, air filter 10.95, mount  
$65., vert card compass $329, ign. lead $93.90, mag. block $91.43,  
kit gear $89.43" (not sure what that is).

The total amount of the bill was just under $2000. -- maybe 1/4 of  
that was for the new compass & mount.

When I picked it up, 3 things had not been addressed:  he wrote down  
correctly in the logbook that the ELT battery was due for change Apr.  
'08, but then didn't read accurately the date he wrote, so he didn't  
order or change the ELT battery...and that meant I would have to fly  
it back to him again for that. (That's a half-hour flight each way.)   
He omitted to stop-drill a small crack on the edge of the nose  
cowling that had been on my list.  And the exhaust pipe was still  
hitting the cowling at the edge of the hole it comes out of, which  
had also been on my list (later determined to be because a cowling  
clamp was loose, I think he said; see below; but why wasn't that  
caught on the annual when it had been on the squawk list for the  
annual?).

I picked it up on a Wednesday afternoon, and flew it the half-hour  
trip home.  I didn't fly it again until Saturday a.m., when I flew it  
over to Long Beach (about a 20 min. flight), intending to help fly  
some kids at the Young Eagles rally. But once I landed, it wouldn't  
start up again. That's after less than 1 hr. total flight time since  
the Annual.   I killed about 2 hrs. trying to get it running, with  
the help of a half-dozen EAA old-timers and the CAP flight line  
mechanic.  The starter sounded normal, but nothing "caught."  I tried  
to reach the A&P, but didn't hear back from him until Sunday night. I  
had to leave my plane at LGB that Saturday, and one of the EAA guys  
flew me back to my airport.  This ruined my flying plans for both  
that day and the EOC Region 7 event the next day. It also killed  
another half-day of my time on Monday to go meet the A&P back at Long  
Beach, where he finally got it to start -- after a lot of trouble.   
He diagnosed the ignition switch as old, and advised I replace it at  
a cost of about $50, and to do that I would have to fly it out to him  
at El Monte again, which I did the following Friday.

On that Friday, it took two tries & some nursing it, but I did get it  
started, and I arrived at El Monte at 3 p.m.  I asked the A&P if  
timing (which did not feel smooth to me, despite having been billed  
for timing above) could have anything to do with the starting  
problems.  He replaced the ignition switch (and I now wonder whether  
that was even necessary), and he eventually found that BOTH mags had  
"very weak sparks" and he changed the points & condensors, timed it  
again, and it ran WAY better. In all, we were there from 3-6 p.m. (3  
hrs., though it looked like at least part of that time he had an  
assistant working with him on it). The bill I've now received in the  
mail reads:

Labor
1. Replace ELT battey  - parts only labor N/C
2. ACRT WON'T Start in LGB airport gas only labor N/C [i.e. he did  
not charge for his time to come to LGB the previous Monday to get it  
started up so I could fly it out, but he did charge $50 for his van  
gas to drive out there]
3.  Replaced ignition switch - very old original
4. Found weak sparks on mags - removed left & right mags.  Left mag -  
reset point gap & retimed . Replaced points and condenser in Right  
mag.  Cleaned & lubed rear bearing set gap.  Retimed to engine.   
Reinstalled cowling.  After ground running engine to insure good  
starting & no problems occur in the future.

Labor: 4.6 hrs. @ $85/hr [i.e. hourly labor charge appears to have  
increased since the previous week, and the charge was 4.6 hrs (does  
that incl. assistant?) between 3-6 p.m.]

Parts: ELT battery $38., Ign. switch 98.95, TCM mag points $56, TCM  
Condensor $37.80

Van Gas: $50

Total bill $690.78

I don't know enough about mags to know whether -- when he replaced  
the "mag distributor block & gear and re-timed the engine" during the  
Annual --  should he have caught the fact that both mag sparks were  
extremely weak then?...or could both of them have failed  
simultaneously and suddenly within the first hour of flying post- 
annual?  Was it legitimate to charge for re-timing twice?  There was  
an obvious and significant difference to the way the engine felt  
after the second time, that was not there the first time -- even to  
my amateur perceptions -- making me wonder if the timing had in fact  
been adjusted properly (or at all?) the first time around.  Given  
what else had been skipped from the list I'd given him to do on the  
annual, and given that I experienced mag problems again almost  
immediately after he diagnosed and replaced the L mag distributor  
block, I am wondering if both rounds of problems look unrelated and  
both rounds of charges look legitimate to the experienced eyes on our  
list. Also was it legitimate to replace the ignition switch anyway,  
just because it's "old"?  If so, why didn't he say that or do that on  
the annual inspection?

After replacing a mag distributor block, wouldn't one test it and see  
that the spark is "weak" at that time?

I don't want to raise questions about his charges to him, if this  
sequence looks plausible to your experienced eyes; it is very, very  
difficult to find any A&Ps in SoCal who know Ercoupes, so I don't  
want to tick this one off if these generally look ok.  But I also  
don't feel good about the mag problems not having been caught on the  
annual (but don't know if they should have been????), given that he  
did replace the L mag distributor block on it during the annual. And  
I reallllllly don't feel good about how much my flying plans got  
cancelled because of it, nor good about how many hours of my own  
time, av gas, and car gas this cost.  I need at least to understand  
how this could happen so immediately after the Annual, before paying  
the second bill.  What do you all think?

Thank you!

Linda
N3437H (Sky Sprite)
L.A.















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