----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike Sellers 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:52 PM


The Coupe series had several spar cap designs in the course of its manufacture. 
There is no one single drawing that states the number and size of holes. 
However, the bucket seat installation was approved from s/n 113 through the end 
of production. There were several spar caps. All had holes. Some had more than 
others. Some had bigger holes than other. Center sections have been swapped, 
spar caps replaced, 337 installations made and a lot of installations with no 
documentation. There is no single souce of information. Our position puts us in 
a situation that none of you have and we cannot fulfill every request for 
information because we have multiple responsibilities in matters such as this. 



You have a disclaimer on your forum that none of you are engineers or have any 
official status in providing technical information. Well, we do. There is 
likely litigation that will arise from this accident. An unguarded comment, 
speculation or just general B.S. becomes fodder for a lawyer. We have been 
doing our job for 63 years. We know how this process works and we also know we 
cannot just go running our mouths. None of you would want to be served to 
testify in a trial. I don't want to be either. 



Every time one of these service issues come out, regardless of aircraft, we are 
sorry S.O.B.s for providing airplane parts. Then, some of you find out that 
there is merit to these ADs and then things die down. After 31 years I look 
forward to ADs and Service Bulletins like a root canal. I wish you could 
understand all of the challenges we face on a daily basis to provide parts for 
your 60 year old aircraft. The Cessna 120 is just as old as your aircraft. The 
original manufacturer of the aircraft is still around. Cessna has resolved this 
same problem we have by discontinuing most of the parts for that aircraft. We 
have to play by the same rules they do. We could sell parts cheaper if we 
operated out of our basements and did this in our spare time, but we are 50 
people doing our jobs in a 66,000 sq ft building. We are regulated by an agency 
who can padlock our front door if they so choose. 



We supply parts for over 40 airplanes. I didn't know what gauge wire was used 
on the instrument panel lights for a 108-2 when asked one day. I had to take a 
bunch of crap over that by a customer because as type certificate holder, "I am 
supposed to know this." Well I do know the thickness of J-3 struts and the part 
number for the engine mount rubbers on an O-320. We know that. This is our job. 
We know the part number for the rubber doughnuts on the Coupe. We sell those 
all the time and thousands of other bits of information. There is about 75 
years of collective aviation experience in our sales office. I didn't count my 
years growing up in the business in that figure. I could fudge that and put us 
over the 100 year mark. We need to sell parts to stay in business. However, I 
was expected to know this all important information about wire off the top of 
my head. Also, it would result in no sale. Not knowing it makes us suspect and 
stupid in the eyes of some individuals. In 31 years I have only been asked that 
very important question about Stinson insturment panel wire once. Nobody else 
has ever been asked. 18 gauge for those who need to know. 



Now, for the important stuff: Roger Caldwell was here today. Engineering and 
the company President and CEO were part of the meeting. It lasted about 90 
minutes. As I mentioned before and want to emphasize, we will not speculate or 
debate this matter in a public forum. I am not at liberty to discuss the 
details of this meeting. I will say that I think we made a fairly compelling 
case. What the FAA does at this point I do not know. I don't know if an AD if 
forthcoming or not. If one does, there will be the NPRM process in which to 
state your concerns. What I will share with you is this: We were very emphatic 
that any AD that results from this matter needs to require compliance with 
existing Ercoupe Service Bulletins 57, 58 and 58A. 

We know your concerns about this issue. Please give us a little credit here.

Regards,

Mike Sellers
Marketing and Sales Manager
Univair Aircraft Corp.




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